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Post by valhalla on Jul 21, 2023 23:01:50 GMT 1
Lad in question got into body building and steroids - started working the doors - abused the steroids so much he got diabetes. Then got ill - lost a shed load of weight - body mass. Then started on drugs - was putting Skag in one arm for a fix and insulin in the other to keep him alive - died of Ketamine overdose before he got to 30yrs old. Sadly his older Sister and his younger brother all died on of drugs overdoses - only the middle sister (attractive one but wired to the moon) is still alive - she works in Tescos as a till supervisor. Trail of devastation Yes, even I ended-up as a till supervisor in the end.....
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Post by OldGit on Jul 22, 2023 7:09:26 GMT 1
Yes, even I ended-up as a till supervisor in the end.....
I don't know why this came to mind when I read that...
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Post by Rhubarb on Jul 26, 2023 12:48:05 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0fzlswg/what-they-really-mean-for-you-series-1-1-electric-carsAnyone watch this last night? What I took from it: We won't be able to create the infrastructure required for charging, and we won't be able to make enough batteries. They mentioned the mining and the different components required for the batteries, but failed to mention the amount of destruction and pollution caused by mining for the battery components. Aside from that and whichever side of the fence you're on, it's worth a watch. The next episode is powering homes and green power.
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Post by chippie on Jul 26, 2023 13:19:33 GMT 1
I too watched it…
Agreed, we are far behind in the race.. didn’t realise it was a competition ffs!
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Post by Noberator on Jul 26, 2023 15:07:58 GMT 1
Me and the Mrs watched it and we won't be buying a EV at all if ever. For reasons already outlined in this thread we have no intentions of buying EV,BEV or PHEV.
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Post by Joepublic on Jul 26, 2023 19:37:59 GMT 1
Watched it earlier, it amazes me that bureaucracy this country has, the amount of hurdles it creates so that nothing happens anytime soon.
Every department is a team of individuals working against its neighbours for the greater disruption (rather than greater good) 12 months to apply to dig up and place charging points in the next street to where they're currently working).
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Post by Noberator on Jul 26, 2023 21:22:29 GMT 1
Watched it earlier, it amazes me that bureaucracy this country has, the amount of hurdles it creates so that nothing happens anytime soon. Every department is a team of individuals working against its neighbours for the greater disruption (rather than greater good) 12 months to apply to dig up and place charging points in the next street to where they're currently working). The bureaucracy is down to the local Councils who you have to pay a sum of money to dig up a road or pavement as they issue a permit to do so and this applies to water,gas,or even phone companies and they keep tabs on the firms that are doing it and do issue fines for going over the time frame for digging up the road or pavement. I have had first hand experience of this when BT had to lay a new phone cable from the man hole near me to the front of my house. The bloke from the company that was installing five hundred of these charging points did say that five hundred permits are issued for this work ie one for every charging point which IMO is madness. Not to the Council in question it's not five hundred times X number of payments is a fair few quid and unless things change the infrastructure for this country is never going to be big enough to cope with the demand. I'm forecasting down the road and IMO it won't be that long from happening when a large amount of people jump on the band wagon then you watch the government step up the RFL on these vehicles.
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Post by Joepublic on Jul 26, 2023 21:29:08 GMT 1
The government that runs this country says EVs are the future, if they say shit all departments jump on the shovel!
EVs are needed in London boroughs, not needed here imo
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Post by OldGit on Jul 26, 2023 21:37:40 GMT 1
BEV's are needed in China & India (and outliers), possibly USA too - mainly due to the numbers, maintenance 'quality' & age of the vehicles currently in use. Of course, this won't happen, they'd rather research pathogens to weaponise or send a rocket to the moon than improve the health of the indigenous population and the world as a whole. All places where solar power & wind turbines can work well and be deployed locally, instead, they're using coal & gas to 'top up' the pollution from their vehicles.
The UK & EU bringing in draconian measures to curb vehicle ownership by taxing fuel, brakes & tyres won't change a thing, other than my disposable income and the govt's disposable tax income.
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Post by valhalla on Jul 26, 2023 22:28:14 GMT 1
The public need to understand - Saving the environment, and improving air-quality : They are not the same thing. Just because some jumped-up eigits in metropolitan Britain conflate the two issues, does not make it right to impose draconian measures on the public.
If you want to save the environment, drive a modern-classic, and run it as well as you can (with the parts still available) and as little as possible - justify the journeys. Make it last 20years, you will have done your bit for the planet.
If you want to improve air-quality, either drive an EV or just don't have a car at-all. Just make sure that you only charge it from your own renewable energy source, so if you cannot afford solar-panels or wind-turbines in your back garden, don't feel too pious. The only downside is, if you don't want to be accused of destroying the environment/planet, you are going to have to make this thing last longer than your IC-car that you might have run, because payback on one of these EV's is going to be be much bigger. Especially if you don't provide your own energy to run it, because the only calculations in favour of EV's rely on zero-emissions-on-refueling : That isn't going to happen from the present national grid system.
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Post by valhalla on Jul 26, 2023 23:39:22 GMT 1
Sounds like one particular EV has just cost the environment, and (sadly) one person their life. The Fremantle Highway is burning off the Dutch coastline right now; over 2800cars, including circa 25 BEV's, and one of those has caught fire. This is the second time this has happened to VW Group (happened last year with a cargo ship to the US) and it appears that the cars were not long loaded in Bremen before the ship set-sail - this time for the Far East via Suez Canal.
It appears from early reports that the fire could not be contained by the crew, who tried to stem the conflagration, but it seems that it was definitely one of the EV's that has created the conditions for this fire to burn. Right now, nobody can tackle this, all souls are accounted-for (with the one loss), but the ship will just burn until it capsizes.
I reckon this will put the price of EV's up a notch or two. Insurance companies have already been warning about Lithium fires aboard cargo shops (from previous experiences all over the world) - they are not going to want to insure this sort of cargo for much longer.
This is exactly what I was warning-about a few weeks ago; the intense heat from one of these fires means that you can only contain the blaze, you cannot put it out. Even inert-gas systems are failing to extinguish this sort of fire, as Lithium Ion units tend to be self-oxygenating under these conditions. So when car-parks are complaining about the weight of BEV's, what they have in mind is : When a thermal-lance goes-off in a reinforced concrete structure, the structure is going to be severely compromised; park an EV at the base of a building, and if it spontaneously explodes, then the chances are that the building will come down unless it has massive over-engineering within its structure. Like 9/11, where aviation fuel did the job of providing heat, a weakness in a structure can result in a "deck-of-cards" type of collapse both above and below the fire.
Hmmm. Might have to draw-up a policy-document outlining "No Parking" zone for EV's around Mrs. V.'s business - and yes, we do have loads of them on holiday right now.........
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Post by OldGit on Jul 27, 2023 7:10:40 GMT 1
The problem is, those blinkered BEV evangelists will say it is 'scaremongering' and 'only one car caused the problem out of xxxx on board / in the car park'
Whereas in reality, it's just common sense - if you don't want your house to burn, then don't play with matches.
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Post by Rhubarb on Jul 27, 2023 7:44:46 GMT 1
The problem is, those blinkered BEV evangelists will say it is 'scaremongering' and 'only one car caused the problem out of xxxx on board / in the car park'
Whereas in reality, it's just common sense - if you don't want your house to burn, then don't play with matches.
Or it started in a Cabin!
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Post by Joepublic on Jul 27, 2023 9:25:55 GMT 1
Fire guy on TV just said 15 fires in the Manchester area this year due to charging kids cheap electric scooters, one on the 10th floor of a 17 story block www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld00r-tEEJ4
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Post by valhalla on Jul 27, 2023 23:19:23 GMT 1
The problem is, those blinkered BEV evangelists will say it is 'scaremongering' and 'only one car caused the problem out of xxxx on board / in the car park'
Whereas in reality, it's just common sense - if you don't want your house to burn, then don't play with matches.
I understand, from some reports, that the crew that jumped numbered around about eight, and it was one of those that died on impact with the water. They couldn't get to the port lifeboat to launch it, and the emergency escape "pods" could also not be reached, such was the intensity of the heat coming up through the decks. They reported to the Dutch coastguard that they could only jump from where they stood - no options to follow emergency-drill or muster - as the heat was terrific.
This is the real difference with lithium battery fires - not that they happen, but when they happen, they are intense, and nothing will put them out. Insurers have been aware of this since 2014, but I suspect that this will put paid to cheap-transportation of EV's around the world. Bye, bye cheap Chinese EV's. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.......
It appears that the single EV had exploded sufficiently badly to set a few other EV's alight in the proximity (a perfectly plausible occurrence to trigger a lithium fire - heat) and once the crew had failed to extinguish that pocket, it just burned through the sides of the ship. If you look at a photo of the vessel, the decks just below the top-level, about three decks in total, have just gone open-sided. That doesn't normally happen with a steel-hulled vessel.
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