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Post by OldGit on Mar 13, 2024 21:22:52 GMT 1
Does anyone actually 'want' BEV's though? - certainly in their current L-Ion powered form they're like having the pin for a grenade in one hand and the grenade in the other... Aluminium batteries are coming on-stream soon (apparently) and Hydrogen is starting to play catch-up. Hydrogen infrastructure can be installed pretty much in tandem with existing fuels and doesn't require the whole upstream infrastructure to be beefed up.
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Post by Noberator on Mar 13, 2024 22:49:56 GMT 1
Also in our local rag.More to this so will try and keep you posted as it wasn't far from me where he ran out of battery power between junction 10 Croft and junction 11 Birchwood on the M62.
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Post by remmington on Mar 14, 2024 7:26:12 GMT 1
There is that, but CRD's rarely burnt down your workshop and removed your ability to make an income... I don't think there were any special insurance price hikes or the requirement to have additional detection and spread-of-fire prevention equipment either.Don't get me wrong, I don't mind working on EV's, I just wouldn't want one within 50 metres of my house. The problem for an insurance underwritter is: And I get it... Car repairers are only gonna get faulty EV's with flat battery's. And that is where the biggest risk is - faults and flat batteries - for fires! Plus insurers are insisting on spaced parking for EV/PHEVS with faults (so you gonna need a bigger car park). We had to get Level 4 training and we cannot get cover for inside charging. |
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Post by Rhubarb on Mar 14, 2024 11:55:34 GMT 1
There's a Nissan out now with a petrol engine that just powers the motors..Like wtf is the point?!!
LPG never took off because of about two incidents..How many EV fires have we had in the UK in the last couple of years?!!
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Post by chippie on Mar 14, 2024 12:18:32 GMT 1
There's a Nissan out now with a petrol engine that just powers the motors..Like wtf is the point?!!! Well it’s nothing new or innovative.. It’s how diesel electric trains work..except with a diesel driven generator rather than petrol…..but I agree for a car, wtf is the point? |
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Post by rhyds on Mar 14, 2024 15:33:05 GMT 1
There's a Nissan out now with a petrol engine that just powers the motors..Like wtf is the point?!! IIRC the Nissan setup is that you have a battery electric hybrid with a petrol engine running as an onboard generator. The theory is because the engine is only there to run a generator it can be tuned to run very efficiently and with low emissions as it only has to run at a single fixed speed. LPG never took off because of about two incidents..How many EV fires have we had in the UK in the last couple of years?!! I don't think it was safety that was the main blocker for LPG uptake in the UK, more a combination of few cars being sold with LPG from the factory (IIRC it was only Vauxhall that did it in any real volumes)and the aftermarket kits being very variable in quality. A mate had his Kia 4x4 LPG converted with a Prins kit, and despite being a professional conversion from new it still managed to burn out valves. |
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Post by Rhubarb on Mar 15, 2024 8:34:01 GMT 1
There's a Nissan out now with a petrol engine that just powers the motors..Like wtf is the point?!! IIRC the Nissan setup is that you have a battery electric hybrid with a petrol engine running as an onboard generator. The theory is because the engine is only there to run a generator it can be tuned to run very efficiently and with low emissions as it only has to run at a single fixed speed. LPG never took off because of about two incidents..How many EV fires have we had in the UK in the last couple of years?!! I don't think it was safety that was the main blocker for LPG uptake in the UK, more a combination of few cars being sold with LPG from the factory (IIRC it was only Vauxhall that did it in any real volumes)and the aftermarket kits being very variable in quality. A mate had his Kia 4x4 LPG converted with a Prins kit, and despite being a professional conversion from new it still managed to burn out valves. Nissan: still seems a bonkers idea. The whole point of EVs is that they are supposed to be zero emissions. Lpg: Yes I used to fit kits to brand new Vauxhalls..Punter thought Vauxhall were doing them! A lot of so called professional firms were fitting kits and not setting them up correctly. I've seen some real shockers. |
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Post by Joepublic on May 11, 2024 11:37:52 GMT 1
So, last week I started a new job, I now deliver new cars via roads to fleet customers. 7 cars delivered so far, 4 hybrids and 3 EVs.
I didn't think I'd like them, but actually for motorway hauls I do.
Nissan, XTrail, Quasqai, Juke and Ariya.
Hyundai, Ionia 5 and Kona E
MG4. This was yesterdays car, Stoke to Essex, the car was 100% charged when leaving, I drove 170 miles on 60% charge, leaving around 100 miles range displayed. End to end was 4 hours, with a quick p*ss stop and a call to the customer with ETA (6:20AM - 10:20AM). M6, M1, M11 mainly, I'm paid by the hour so no real incentive to speed, so I tend to cruise 60 - 65MPH (leaving a nice big gap from me to the car in front for all the idiots entering / leaving the motorways to slot through), unless dictated otherwise by the overhead gantries.
Only issue so far was a dead 12v battery, found before leaving base, around 1000 miles driven.
I can't comment on value for money as they're not mine, all end users so far have been 40+, most 50s and one retiree.
I've been watching YouTube videos as a learning experience and there's much negativity, my experience so far at least is positive.
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Post by remmington on May 12, 2024 20:45:01 GMT 1
Does anyone actually 'want' BEV's though? - certainly in their current L-Ion powered form they're like having the pin for a grenade in one hand and the grenade in the other... Aluminium batteries are coming on-stream soon (apparently) and Hydrogen is starting to play catch-up. Hydrogen infrastructure can be installed pretty much in tandem with existing fuels and doesn't require the whole upstream infrastructure to be beefed up. They used to use Hydrogen for cooling power stations and it is the hardest thing to keep in anything ever - pipework wise - it just leaks out of everything. Due to its molecular size. It worse than refrigerant - and we all know how cars leak aircon gas out over time. Hydrogen has a low LEL level as well. |
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Post by Joepublic on May 13, 2024 17:27:02 GMT 1
Today was a Tucson t GDi 1.6 6 speed manual, 1575 KG, Stoke to lowestoft
230 miles on 25L of petrol, nice cruiser, but gutless pulling away from the many roundabouts and only proved to me that I still don't like small petrol engines.
Of the cars I've driven so far this would be the last choice for any journey.
Nissan Ariya tomorrow to Essex, it will be interesting to compare with the MG4 used for my previous trip there.
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Post by Noberator on May 15, 2024 9:58:17 GMT 1
Today was a Tucson t GDi 1.6 6 speed manual, 1575 KG, Stoke to lowestoft 230 miles on 25L of petrol, nice cruiser, but gutless pulling away from the many roundabouts and only proved to me that I still don't like small petrol engines. Of the cars I've driven so far this would be the last choice for any journey. Nissan Ariya tomorrow to Essex, it will be interesting to compare with the MG4 used for my previous trip there. you wouldn't seriously consider ever buying  an EV would you  as your a petrolhead like me. |
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Post by chippie on May 15, 2024 10:39:07 GMT 1
Does anyone actually 'want' BEV's though? - certainly in their current L-Ion powered form they're like having the pin for a grenade in one hand and the grenade in the other... Aluminium batteries are coming on-stream soon (apparently) and Hydrogen is starting to play catch-up. Hydrogen infrastructure can be installed pretty much in tandem with existing fuels and doesn't require the whole upstream infrastructure to be beefed up. They used to use Hydrogen for cooling power stations and it is the hardest thing to keep in anything ever - pipework wise - it just leaks out of everything. Due to its molecular size. It worse than refrigerant - and we all know how cars leak aircon gas out over time. Hydrogen has a low LEL level as well. Attachments:
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Post by Joepublic on May 15, 2024 10:50:26 GMT 1
Today was a Tucson t GDi 1.6 6 speed manual, 1575 KG, Stoke to lowestoft 230 miles on 25L of petrol, nice cruiser, but gutless pulling away from the many roundabouts and only proved to me that I still don't like small petrol engines. Of the cars I've driven so far this would be the last choice for any journey. Nissan Ariya tomorrow to Essex, it will be interesting to compare with the MG4 used for my previous trip there. you wouldn't seriously consider ever buying an EV would you as your a petrolhead like me. I’ll do 800 - 1000 miles this week, a small petrol engines car would be a bind. Ariya yesterday was 200 miles in 6 hours (hour for charging - first time charging one and the first charger not working). If your vehicle was just transport the Ariya would tick all the boxes, smooth, quiet, powerful. Not many get emotional about washing machines, providing they work to your satisfaction they’re forgotten about. First buyer / lease don’t care about the problems the next owner suffers. |
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Post by Joepublic on May 15, 2024 15:59:29 GMT 1
Nissan juke hybrid petrol auto this morning to Manchester, nice enough, a bit buzzy on petrol/ slow to change up, but I suppose that’s when it’s charging the batteries?
MG4 this afternoon to Crewe
Of the two I prefer the MG for a runaround A 2 B car
Another MG4 tomorrow, just inside the M25
Speaking to my supervisors the MG4s were very troublesome to begin with
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Post by remmington on May 15, 2024 18:34:00 GMT 1
Nissan juke hybrid petrol auto this morning to Manchester, nice enough, a bit buzzy on petrol/ slow to change up, but I suppose that’s when it’s charging the batteries? MG4 this afternoon to Crewe Of the two I prefer the MG for a runaround A 2 B car Another MG4 tomorrow, just inside the M25 Speaking to my supervisors the MG4s were very troublesome to begin with Differing cars - what you Tradeplate driving now? |
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an EV would you 
as your a petrolhead like me. 