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Post by remmington on Jul 28, 2023 5:51:45 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0fzlswg/what-they-really-mean-for-you-series-1-1-electric-carsAnyone watch this last night? What I took from it: We won't be able to create the infrastructure required for charging, and we won't be able to make enough batteries. They mentioned the mining and the different components required for the batteries, but failed to mention the amount of destruction and pollution caused by mining for the battery components. Aside from that and whichever side of the fence you're on, it's worth a watch. The next episode is powering homes and green power. I watched this and came to the same view point. What shocked me more - was the BBC actually aired it? |
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Post by remmington on Jul 28, 2023 6:05:15 GMT 1
The public need to understand - Saving the environment, and improving air-quality : They are not the same thing. Just because some jumped-up eigits in metropolitan Britain conflate the two issues, does not make it right to impose draconian measures on the public. If you want to save the environment, drive a modern-classic, and run it as well as you can (with the parts still available) and as little as possible - justify the journeys. Make it last 20years, you will have done your bit for the planet.
If you want to improve air-quality, either drive an EV or just don't have a car at-all. Just make sure that you only charge it from your own renewable energy source, so if you cannot afford solar-panels or wind-turbines in your back garden, don't feel too pious. The only downside is, if you don't want to be accused of destroying the environment/planet, you are going to have to make this thing last longer than your IC-car that you might have run, because payback on one of these EV's is going to be be much bigger. Especially if you don't provide your own energy to run it, because the only calculations in favour of EV's rely on zero-emissions-on-refueling : That isn't going to happen from the present national grid system.
Yeah valhalla - it is consumption that is the problem - consumption of everything.So, the UK is responsible for 1% of global pollution. "The United Kingdom population is equivalent to 0.87% of the total world population." Pollution per person - we are above the average - only slightly - but we are. ---------- In the year of my birth 1967 - there was 3.47 billion people on this planet This year there is 8 billion And by the time I die it will 10 billion. In my short lifetime the worlds population has tripled - this is where the problem lies Just too many people consuming too much! I honestly believe this is route cause of all the earths resource problems - too many successful breeding medium sized mammals = US (Try getting your MP to sell that concept as a vote winner!) |
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Post by remmington on Jul 28, 2023 6:13:22 GMT 1
But I have a recurring dream I would like to share with you!
Its 2040 - I have banned EV cars from my workshop. I am retired and I am repairing bicycles for poor people.
I have a Hemi engine mounted in a RSJ cradle mounted on wood bearers in the middle of my yard.
Familes with children are bringing bio fuel in plastic contaners in small quantities to me - they are gathering to hear the spectacle - the noise and splender - the flames from the open headers. The ICE (internal combustion engine) you hate - in all its glory!
I feel the excitement rushing thru my viens as I run this "monster" up to full chat...
Then it hits me - "my social conscience" - my pleasure is dulled - the fog hits me.
I stand and look at these people - good people - but of no use - to your new world ..
These people have been left behind with the "Fourth Industrial Revolution" - these are the postman - van drivers - delivery drivers - tractors drivers. Self driving EV cars have made them redundant.
They are now growing food - subsistence farming - sharing their grop in a fermented form to rejoice a time when they had a use in society.
Silicon valley is not interested in their rural **** end of nowhere. And nor are you!
There will be winners and losers... There always is...
But my social concience goes way beyond what I drive to work in!
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Post by remmington on Jul 28, 2023 6:29:41 GMT 1
Oh yeah - I got an opinion on this subject - I gave it a lot of thought.
My opinion does not match the UK government's or the BBC viewpoint either.
Problem is I got no real answers to the problem either.
I just think we got railroaded into "one school of thought" for the transport problem and should have investigated all options/routes/ideas - and worked with a mix of the best we could have come up with.
BEVS/PHEVS for urban areas
Pour money into public transport
Hydrogen fuel cells
Synthetic fuel
Lengthening the use of the vehicles we already got - instead of culling them.
Any new tech - investigate it/try it..
Mix it up... Is the best I can come up with and hope you find enough workable things to resolve the problem.
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Post by OldGit on Jul 28, 2023 7:10:08 GMT 1
The problem is, those blinkered BEV evangelists will say it is 'scaremongering' and 'only one car caused the problem out of xxxx on board / in the car park'
Whereas in reality, it's just common sense - if you don't want your house to burn, then don't play with matches.
Or it started in a Cabin!  This is the bit I have trouble reconciling, fire detection on ships is very tightly regulated and highly specified, not just in the living areas but in the cargo areas. For a fire to start in a cabin, not trip some sort of smoke or rate of rise of heat detection in the room or corridor, then get sufficiently hot to spread enough heat through the structure into the cargo area to start a fire there - all without some form of detection alerting the crew (and/or the crew giving it a stiff ignoring - knowing the risks), just doesn't seem possible to me.
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Post by valhalla on Jul 28, 2023 21:59:03 GMT 1
Or it started in a Cabin! This is the bit I have trouble reconciling, fire detection on ships is very tightly regulated and highly specified, not just in the living areas but in the cargo areas. For a fire to start in a cabin, not trip some sort of smoke or rate of rise of heat detection in the room or corridor, then get sufficiently hot to spread enough heat through the structure into the cargo area to start a fire there - all without some form of detection alerting the crew (and/or the crew giving it a stiff ignoring - knowing the risks), just doesn't seem possible to me.
Yes. It isn't possible....for the fire to have started in a cabin and then travel to the cargo area.
1) Cabin fires are generally materials that burn colder
2) If you look very closely at pictures of the cargo-ship burning (taken by Dutch Coastguard), you can clearly see on the starboard side that the living quarters are well ablaze, but the cargo area (at the other end of the ship, the living quarters are high and to the stern-end, the damaged cargo area is to the bow-end) has already burned-out, and the sides of the ship are already open. So the fire would need to travel backwards in time for the cabin theory to have any meaning.
Or the pictures were doctored online, and this is all just a Russian conspiracy to push hydrocarbons back up the sales-charts. |
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Post by remmington on Jul 29, 2023 6:11:01 GMT 1
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Post by Rhubarb on Jul 29, 2023 14:03:24 GMT 1
We shouldn't be surprised, it's not just Tesla that claim very optimistic figures. And what customer service from Tesla!! |
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Post by valhalla on Jul 30, 2023 0:26:16 GMT 1
Not just China that these BEV's are going up in smoke;
Turns-out that Mercedes had a few of these on-board the cargo ship that has just expired....
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Post by OldGit on Jul 30, 2023 9:57:39 GMT 1
Merc dealer in Germany, reported as starting in the parts dept.
https://www.tiktok.com/@piedelpistolpete/video/7254146618390334746
Report on the fire - paywalled |
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Post by valhalla on Jul 30, 2023 21:01:05 GMT 1
Sounds like the fire department were on the case pretty quickly there - very impressive to get something like under control in an hour!
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Post by OldGit on Jul 30, 2023 21:07:03 GMT 1
Using the Polizei water cannon probably helped!
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Post by Joepublic on Aug 4, 2023 13:05:34 GMT 1
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Post by upkeep on Aug 5, 2023 10:50:37 GMT 1
We shouldn't be surprised, it's not just Tesla that claim very optimistic figures. And what customer service from Tesla!! This has been going on for years, nothing new here with fantasy fuel MPG's I never got what was stated, has anyone?
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Post by Rhubarb on Aug 5, 2023 11:10:22 GMT 1
We shouldn't be surprised, it's not just Tesla that claim very optimistic figures. And what customer service from Tesla!! This has been going on for years, nothing new here with fantasy fuel MPG's I never got what was stated, has anyone? I know of someone with a 3 year old Tesla Grand X, 90 grands worth that only does 60miles! A company car that he can't wait to get shot of. |
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