EV cars - BEVS and PHEVS

[Joepublic]

GWM Ora Stoke to Sheffield, traffic and rain doubled journey time

Not 100% charged but range of 173 miles on departure, 100 on arrival.

Cheapest ev currently for lease, wasn’t expecting much but drove well in dual carriageway/ motorways, lowered gti style on rural roads, that and lane guidance around puddles made for a difficult few miles. Adjustments to the settings would have improved things but as I’m not the end user I leave as factory.

I could drive one daily, wouldn’t commit £22k to one though, I’m not tight, just careful!

[upkeep]

True story,I know of one of those (ORA Good Cat, less than a thousand miles) that got written off for a broken door mirror.

[Joepublic]

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"Danny: That's it. Last week, the last internal combustion engined Jaguar was produced at Castle Bromwich. All EV now... good move?"

[Joepublic]

[OldGit]

That's a lot of history consigned to, err... history.

Apparently 2/3 of the JLR dealerships will be LR-only within 12-14 months. It's unclear if that's worldwide, EU or UK only.

[valhalla]

A very poor decision, if you can call it a "decision", in my opinion. JLR has been a bit rudderless for over a decade now, and choosing to kill-off all the ICE-powered cars is not a rational move.

The fact that the dealerships are moving over to LR-only also does not surprise me; I have seen this behaviour in partner companies before. What you won't see is the continued takeover of LR by the Jaguar cuckoos in the background.

[OldGit]

I don't have the same historical insights - but now you've mentioned the Jag 'Cuckoos' I can instantly see it, very apt.

[Joepublic]

I’ve done 4 juke hybrids now, I really rate them. Today Stoke to Kent, 235
Miles, 1/4 full of fuel at Stoke, I put 20L in and delivered the car just below half full. 5.30am - 10:30am, includes inspection, stop for toilet and fuel, stop to inform the customer of eta.

60 mpg approximately, they pull well enough, cruise well, suspension is on the firm side for a hi- boy!

All have displayed a tendency to be slow to change up, but lift your foot for a second and the revs go to what i’d class as normal.

Another Tucson GDI yesterday, only goes to remind me why I like diesels….

[Joepublic]

Now 6 months in and enjoying the job

Just delivered an Ioniq5, end user says it’s £300 per month, returning the previous model, ran the numbers and he says leasing saved him £5k over buying, new car better spec and less PM than previous.

91 miles on 25% charge

Good deals to be had?

[Rhubarb]

Oct 4, 2024 11:20:47 GMT 1 Joepublic said:

Now 6 months in and enjoying the job

Just delivered an Ioniq5, end user says it’s £300 per month, returning the previous model, ran the numbers and he says leasing saved him £5k over buying, new car better spec and less PM than previous.

91 miles on 25% charge

Good deals to be had?

I've had my 500pound Mitsubishi Colt for six years now. I've probably spent another 500 in service parts, mot's and tyres. It's now nudging a 100,000miles, had 77thou when I bought it. And still does between 45 and 60mpg. I think I've got the best deal.

[Joepublic]

Oct 4, 2024 14:12:31 GMT 1 Rhubarb said:

Oct 4, 2024 11:20:47 GMT 1 Joepublic said:

Now 6 months in and enjoying the job

Just delivered an Ioniq5, end user says it’s £300 per month, returning the previous model, ran the numbers and he says leasing saved him £5k over buying, new car better spec and less PM than previous.

91 miles on 25% charge

Good deals to be had?

I've had my 500pound Mitsubishi Colt for six years now. I've probably spent another 500 in service parts, mot's and tyres. It's now nudging a 100,000miles, had 77thou when I bought it. And still does between 45 and 60mpg. I think I've got the best deal.

I usually pay £1K for mine, spend little, current Golf estate bought last October, a ball joint, oil and filter, wheel refurb and decent tyres, straight through the MOT last June.

But we're odd in the current climate as we can fix things, cars and around the home......

If people don't own new (formerly known as new car purchase), we can't buy used down the line?

[OldGit]

Oct 5, 2024 11:21:20 GMT 1 Joepublic said:

If people don't own new (formerly known as new car purchase), we can't buy used down the line?

I tried pointing that out to someone the other day 'buying new, mugs game, lose as soon as you drive it off - I'd rather let them take the hit and buy one six or seven years down the line' - he just didn't get it at all, unless there is a continual cycle of people buying new, then not only will used prices increase, there'll be less support (the manufacturers won't keep producing spares for older cars to improve the demand for newer ones) for older ones and fewer older ones for sale, so the whole house of cards that supports the used car trade, independent garages, parts suppliers etc. will come tumbling down without those 'mugs'.

[valhalla]

One of the advantages - possibly the only advantage? - of having been part of the EU markets is that cars in this country are protected by a 10-year guarantee of parts-supply, as a minimum.

The bigger advantage is that the 1st and 2nd-tier suppliers have an incentive to keep producing the parts needed as spares, so this then leads to an "OEM-quality aftermarket" that then takes-over where the vehicle manufacturer stops.

There is no advantage in 1st and 2nd-tier suppliers forcing a new-car market; they make much more money on secondhand parts anyway! The only loss, to them, of new-cars not selling is that their marketplace dwindles for newer and more expensive parts - the knock-on effect of new-car-complication - but is mostly offset by an increased demand for older cars.

So, in summary, the people that matter (those that make the parts from which vehicles are built, almost completely within the 1st and 2nd-tiers, and not the vehicle manufacturers themselves) are doing better business by keeping older cars going for longer. Once "their" parts are on a vehicle design, the money is there to be made, especially in "distress purchases" of parts that really, really are needed to keep a car on the road.

As soon as top-tier car manufacturers started shipping design, development, and manufacture of their cars out to 1st-tiers in the 1980's and onwards, they lost the race..........

[remmington]

Oct 6, 2024 22:43:50 GMT 1 valhalla said:

One of the advantages - possibly the only advantage? - of having been part of the EU markets is that cars in this country are protected by a 10-year guarantee of parts-supply, as a minimum.

The bigger advantage is that the 1st and 2nd-tier suppliers have an incentive to keep producing the parts needed as spares, so this then leads to an "OEM-quality aftermarket" that then takes-over where the vehicle manufacturer stops.

There is no advantage in 1st and 2nd-tier suppliers forcing a new-car market; they make much more money on secondhand parts anyway! The only loss, to them, of new-cars not selling is that their marketplace dwindles for newer and more expensive parts - the knock-on effect of new-car-complication - but is mostly offset by an increased demand for older cars.

So, in summary, the people that matter (those that make the parts from which vehicles are built, almost completely within the 1st and 2nd-tiers, and not the vehicle manufacturers themselves) are doing better business by keeping older cars going for longer. Once "their" parts are on a vehicle design, the money is there to be made, especially in "distress purchases" of parts that really, really are needed to keep a car on the road.

As soon as top-tier car manufacturers started shipping design, development, and manufacture of their cars out to 1st-tiers in the 1980's and onwards, they lost the race..........

Correct...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_automotive_suppliers

This lot don't care - if they selling to new car factorys or pouring stuff into the aftermarket as OEM parts.

All they want is there parts bolted onto new cars in the factory - they don't care if the new cars don't sell in huge volumes this year.

They got the foot into the door in the late 80's when the factories just subbed out - most bolt on parts and system supply.


Old cars wear out and there is a need to top the market up with new stock for the car park.


But you only gotta look at the average age of the vehicles in the UK - it is a steady rise.

www.nimblefins.co.uk/cheap-car-insurance/average-age-cars-great-britain

Average mileage per year is dropping? Don't know why - but it is? Fuel costs? Life style changes ex Covid. Shops closing - due to the internet - everything getting delivered? White collar workers working from home not commuting?