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Post by OldGit on Mar 8, 2024 23:40:59 GMT 1
Beggars belief how a design can be signed off with a major system failure like this with no backup…. Yes, it beggars belief. This cannot possibly have happened to a JLR combustion-engine powertrain from JLR : I know, because I've participated in the extensive testing of the softwares that go into all of these.
What we are seeing is the "next generation" of vehicles where the manufacturers have literally "signed-off their own homework" in-lieu of being forced to complete a safety-reaction series of tests by an external authority.
This is one of many, many reasons I think the world has gone mad on recent vehicle design & development. Too much cost-cutting, too many gizmos, not enough thought, not enough testing, no experience or continuity of Engineering.
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Post by rhyds on Mar 12, 2024 15:18:40 GMT 1
One for valhallaRenault wants to charge £7,500 to fix my Zoe electric carLong story short: 2017 Renault Zoe has a faulty charging unit. Renault want £7,500 to supply and fit a new part, car's worth £5,600 and the part is apparently not available aftermarket. The car is located in NW Scotland, and is at the Renault dealer in Inverness. Apparently the Guardian has had a word with Renault and they've agreed to get the car inspected in Edinburgh, but for some reason they're suggesting the owner pay to have the car transported to an EV specialist in Cheltenham. I would love to see the number of zeros on a recovery/flatbed quote from Inverness to Cheltenham and back, which is about 1,000 miles give or take... |
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Post by remmington on Mar 12, 2024 17:59:55 GMT 1
One for valhallaRenault wants to charge £7,500 to fix my Zoe electric carLong story short: 2017 Renault Zoe has a faulty charging unit. Renault want £7,500 to supply and fit a new part, car's worth £5,600 and the part is apparently not available aftermarket. The car is located in NW Scotland, and is at the Renault dealer in Inverness. Apparently the Guardian has had a word with Renault and they've agreed to get the car inspected in Edinburgh, but for some reason they're suggesting the owner pay to have the car transported to an EV specialist in Cheltenham. I would love to see the number of zeros on a recovery/flatbed quote from Inverness to Cheltenham and back, which is about 1,000 miles give or take... I have a yard half full of dead BMW hybrid and full EV i3's with dead EME/KLE/SME units. |
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Post by Karl on Mar 12, 2024 21:44:23 GMT 1
That story isn’t much different to when a ICE goes pop or a gearbox shits a brick
Tough call to make £7500 into this or £7500 into another car
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Post by valhalla on Mar 12, 2024 22:40:51 GMT 1
I almost thought that one linked above was the one just down the road from me ! The customers initials are not as-shown, so I will assume that it isn't the one I know-of.....even though she is a Guardian reader. There must be something about Guardian readers that migrates them to EV's like the Zoe.
Few, if any, garages on Skye will touch EV's now, even for basic servicing. It seems that the predicted loss of insurance protection for premises is starting to kick-in, now that a full year has gone by since the big insurance losses on the Freemantle, et. al.
I'm not touching any EV's, and that's because I have too many valuable cars around of my own - irreplaceable classics - to be able to afford having one in the workshop, or even anywhere near the buildings. I don't need the work, so I don't have the hassle.
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Post by valhalla on Mar 12, 2024 22:43:04 GMT 1
That story isn’t much different to when a ICE goes pop or a gearbox shits a brick Tough call to make £7500 into this or £7500 into another car Good point, and one that also raises the question, "Would you then put £7500 back into a BEV, or put it into an ICE car?" |
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Post by Karl on Mar 12, 2024 22:58:58 GMT 1
Bit naughty of the guardian really
If the charge port was available as replacement part by its self . I’m sure that’s what the garage would have quoted for
It’s not their fault if costs are too step for the customer
Article reads as go find a mate who can do it cheaper
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Post by remmington on Mar 13, 2024 7:39:45 GMT 1
I been repairing cars for a long while. But of late - with these BMW hybrids - I have never scrapped so many newish cars in my life. 2017/2018/ and one 2019 cars with less than 50k on clock have left my yard for salvage. 5 to 7 yr old cars just dead. Yes I have scrapped newish accident damged ICE cars in my lifetime - but not 5yr old low mileage cars thru a breakdown. valhalla - I still am not sure if getting involved with EV's at my late stage of the game is such a good idea.I have thou got involved with cloning used BMW EME units now then reloading with ISTA - we have geared ourselves up with the identical kit used bellow. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvfgxUP2VGU |
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Post by Joepublic on Mar 13, 2024 8:25:02 GMT 1
But isn't this just the transition period? As these faults become more prevalent, companies / individuals will see profit from research and knowledge and roll out fixes?
Industry uses servos / motors / controllers that are overhauled / rebuilt / diagnosed and adjusted remotely, once they see profit from EVs they'll diversify and supply you with what's needed - supply the demand?
Not a lot of meat on the bone currently to invest big?
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Post by OldGit on Mar 13, 2024 16:19:12 GMT 1
If there is no known mitigation to prevent them suffering thermal runaway, then regardless of spares (EV's of all types have to have an intrinsically safe electrical system - even if the power source isn't) and their suitability, unless insurers will provide affordable cover for workshops to have them on the premises then dealer repairs will be the only option. Part of the cost of dealer repairs is a share of the overheads (in the hourly rate) and shipping costs for new and old parts (built into the cost of the parts, one reason why traction batteries are so expensive). So you can see why repair viability is low, the vehicles themselves are being made more easily recyclable so in most cases, it just makes more financial sense to bin it and start again...
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Post by rhyds on Mar 13, 2024 16:49:26 GMT 1
I'd say the biggest issue with EVs and repairs at the moment is mostly the fact they're still a small share of the market in the same way that common rail diesels were 25 years ago. Its still not really worth the outlay for firms to develop fixes for EV control units because the return on investment will always be limited by the small number of potential customers.
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Post by OldGit on Mar 13, 2024 17:02:53 GMT 1
There is that, but CRD's rarely burnt down your workshop and removed your ability to make an income... I don't think there were any special insurance price hikes or the requirement to have additional detection and spread-of-fire prevention equipment either.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind working on EV's, I just wouldn't want one within 50 metres of my house.
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Post by rhyds on Mar 13, 2024 18:48:48 GMT 1
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Post by remmington on Mar 13, 2024 19:00:02 GMT 1
But isn't this just the transition period? As these faults become more prevalent, companies / individuals will see profit from research and knowledge and roll out fixes? Industry uses servos / motors / controllers that are overhauled / rebuilt / diagnosed and adjusted remotely, once they see profit from EVs they'll diversify and supply you with what's needed - supply the demand? Not a lot of meat on the bone currently to invest big? I am an auto electrician - this is how I make my living... But this EV stuff - the parts are big and they are expensive. The customers also "think they run on air"... I am slowly concluding - it is not good business... It is not I am anti EV/PHEV - at all... They just look to dear to run and buy for a secondhand car to me! Maybe I need to sit the "transition period" out. Insurance for an "indie repairer" is not nice.... |
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Post by Joepublic on Mar 13, 2024 20:22:13 GMT 1
But isn't this just the transition period? As these faults become more prevalent, companies / individuals will see profit from research and knowledge and roll out fixes? Industry uses servos / motors / controllers that are overhauled / rebuilt / diagnosed and adjusted remotely, once they see profit from EVs they'll diversify and supply you with what's needed - supply the demand? Not a lot of meat on the bone currently to invest big? I am an auto electrician - this is how I make my living... But this EV stuff - the parts are big and they are expensive. The customers also "think they run on air"... I am slowly concluding - it is not good business... It is not I am anti EV/PHEV - at all... They just look to dear to run and buy for a secondhand car to me! Maybe I need to sit the "transition period" out. Insurance for an "indie repairer" is not nice....Someone needs to lobby their MPs, if they want EVs they need affordable insurance to cover eventualities? Meaning we all pay a share but gain "choice and allow "competition" of price? |
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