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Post by Noberator on Oct 26, 2021 11:19:14 GMT 1
I'll revert to E5 next time I fill up.   I'll check to see if there's any improvement in terms of MPG or faster warm up. Average of 33 on E10.Ouch!! That's where fuel prices really hit home. There's no way I could afford that sort of consumption up here, not at £1.50/ltr with the rural discount for Highland region. Anything not doing at-least 45mpg (unless it's a classic Rover ) is off to China...... What would you say to my old Mondeo ST220'S fuel consumption.  Average 20-21 round town and up to 30 on a long run.  |
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Post by rhyds on Oct 26, 2021 12:09:11 GMT 1
I'll revert to E5 next time I fill up. I'll check to see if there's any improvement in terms of MPG or faster warm up. Average of 33 on E10.Ouch!! That's where fuel prices really hit home. There's no way I could afford that sort of consumption up here, not at £1.50/ltr with the rural discount for Highland region. Anything not doing at-least 45mpg (unless it's a classic Rover ) is off to China...... Here in North Wales I think I've got one fuel station within 15 miles that does super unleaded out of five, so the Focus is getting the diet stuff. It seems OK, economy looks about where it should be, however I have felt that its not quite as good at low thorttle/pulling away, but this car's always been odd with that ever since I had it. |
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Post by Rhubarb on Oct 26, 2021 12:14:14 GMT 1
Ouch!! That's where fuel prices really hit home. There's no way I could afford that sort of consumption up here, not at £1.50/ltr with the rural discount for Highland region. Anything not doing at-least 45mpg (unless it's a classic Rover ) is off to China...... What would you say to my old Mondeo ST220'S fuel consumption. Average 20-21 round town and up to 30 on a long run. He already said, off to China |
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Post by Joepublic on Oct 26, 2021 12:16:14 GMT 1
Last tank on the mk4 estate was 55 mpg, but I’m not commuting, not in any rush to get anywhere tbh.
Usually it’s 40 -42 on winter diesel, it takes around 4 miles before it gets warm.
But I’ve not got any depreciation and that’s probably the biggest running cost of all?
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Post by valhalla on Oct 26, 2021 23:13:15 GMT 1
But I’ve not got any depreciation and that’s probably the biggest running cost of all? That's a fair point, and one I have always used when justifying my old jalopies in the past - they might be a bit slow and unreliable, but they weren't costing me a fortune in insurance or depreciation.
An even bigger running-cost, right now, is if you have anything DV6 up here on the Isle; it seems that there's a rash of Pugs and Fords with running issues on the fuel system, and the bills are not coming-in much shy of £1k to get this sort of thing corrected. That's an awful lot of miles that could have been covered in, say, Mrs. Valhalla's classic Range Rover (18mpg) or my Series_III 2.25 (21mpg), Even at the local, inflated prices, £1k will buy you 145gallons of the good-stuff.
145gallons would take the Range Rover 2610miles, which is close to my total annual travel across all the cars I run on the road (not as many as I own.... ), but more importantly, both the Volvo V70 TDI and the Honda Civic 1.6 would go for just shy of 8000miles on that, on decent long runs.
Off to China with the DV6's, I think!!
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Post by remmington on Oct 27, 2021 6:40:29 GMT 1
"Transport poverty" is coming...
You start adding up the cost of:
Fuel (wet costs for ICE or even electricity for EV)
Intial purchase & Depreciation (including the hidden costs of monthly PCP/PCH)
Road tax & Insurance
Repairs & Servicing
Operating and parking in "congestion zones"
It all is starting to really add up!
The inflated cost of used vehicles (+30%) ex covid/brexit - call it "covid tax" if you like.
The shortage of new vehicles and reduced models - with an inflated purchase premium.
Keeping an old one going - has never looked so good! Whatever the environmental cost?
But at the low mileage I cover each year - I am starting to think keeping an old vehicle going has a lessor impact than recycling my old one and someone building me a new vehicle. Maybe?
Saving up and buying outright a 5-7 year old - low mileage - small not too complex - petrol car from a good mainstream manufacturer - keeping it well serviced and repaired and running it to the death - only replacing it when it worn out or past repair. Has still got to be the cheapest form of motoring.
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Post by rhyds on Oct 27, 2021 12:44:57 GMT 1
But I’ve not got any depreciation and that’s probably the biggest running cost of all? That's a fair point, and one I have always used when justifying my old jalopies in the past - they might be a bit slow and unreliable, but they weren't costing me a fortune in insurance or depreciation. An even bigger running-cost, right now, is if you have anything DV6 up here on the Isle; it seems that there's a rash of Pugs and Fords with running issues on the fuel system, and the bills are not coming-in much shy of £1k to get this sort of thing corrected. That's an awful lot of miles that could have been covered in, say, Mrs. Valhalla's classic Range Rover (18mpg) or my Series_III 2.25 (21mpg), Even at the local, inflated prices, £1k will buy you 145gallons of the good-stuff. 145gallons would take the Range Rover 2610miles, which is close to my total annual travel across all the cars I run on the road (not as many as I own.... ), but more importantly, both the Volvo V70 TDI and the Honda Civic 1.6 would go for just shy of 8000miles on that, on decent long runs. Off to China with the DV6's, I think!!
This is why I went out of my way to find a MK2 Focus with a 1.8 or 2.0 petrol unit. As with your area most folks just potter about to the shops and back so the DV6 units just fall apart from oil sludge and blocked DPFs and I wanted a car that would last a while. The centre manager at work had a well cared for MK2 Facelift 1.6 Diesel which ended up having extensive work done to the engine and IIRC the gearbox. Problem was he'd bought this car from the village garage, who also did all the repairs. Once it came time to trade it in the garage refused to touch it (as they knew what had gone wrong with it) so he had to go elsewhere to find a replacement. Problem is that when it came to diesels everyone just saw big MPG and small VED and couldn't see a downside. Fortunately for us my parents' 2007 Astra H CDTi was trouble free as it didn't have a DPF. |
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Post by Rhubarb on Oct 27, 2021 12:50:26 GMT 1
As my inlaws have just found out today: Audi A1 2012 1.6 tdi broke down..Needs a new (piezo) injector replaced.
Price all in 810quid..And they've been forewarned it may need more work..
But I keep getting told is has free road tax and the parking permit is 15 quid instead of 75quid for my Mitsubishi Colt....They do 20 to 30 miles a week! I keep telling them to buy a small petrol but will they listen, will they heck?!
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Post by Joepublic on Oct 27, 2021 13:48:41 GMT 1
As my inlaws have just found out today: Audi A1 2012 1.6 tdi broke down..Needs a new (piezo) injector replaced. Price all in 810quid..And they've been forewarned it may need more work.. But I keep getting told is has free road tax and the parking permit is 15 quid instead of 75quid for my Mitsubishi Colt....They do 20 to 30 miles a week! I keep telling them to buy a small petrol but will they listen, will they heck?! My Bros Yeti 2L 2013 broke down towing his caravan on the motorway, new injector and fuel pump too £2400. It had only done 24K miles at the time |
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Post by remmington on Oct 27, 2021 15:46:19 GMT 1
As my inlaws have just found out today: Audi A1 2012 1.6 tdi broke down..Needs a new (piezo) injector replaced. Price all in 810quid..And they've been forewarned it may need more work.. But I keep getting told is has free road tax and the parking permit is 15 quid instead of 75quid for my Mitsubishi Colt....They do 20 to 30 miles a week! I keep telling them to buy a small petrol but will they listen, will they heck?! Injector ex TPS new genuine VW one £440 - £6 heat seal £8.50 bolt 1.5hrs labour is about right at £810. Even with 10% on the parts - plus assuming they were charged an hours labour to diagnose. It makes the labour £100 plus VAT. Free road tax is not looking so good now is it? Buying a small petrol car has never looked so better. Spark plugs are still cheap - and I have never failed to extract one either. |
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Post by Noberator on Oct 27, 2021 18:15:35 GMT 1
As my inlaws have just found out today: Audi A1 2012 1.6 tdi broke down..Needs a new (piezo) injector replaced. Price all in 810quid..And they've been forewarned it may need more work.. But I keep getting told is has free road tax and the parking permit is 15 quid instead of 75quid for my Mitsubishi Colt....They do 20 to 30 miles a week! I keep telling them to buy a small petrol but will they listen, will they heck?! My Bros Yeti 2L 2013 broke down towing his caravan on the motorway, new injector and fuel pump too It had only done 24K miles at the time Friggin eck.  |
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Post by Joepublic on Oct 27, 2021 18:17:17 GMT 1
A guy on fb has just posted a pic at Newport Pagnel services, they have diesel at £164.9  |
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Post by remmington on Oct 27, 2021 18:19:31 GMT 1
My Bros Yeti 2L 2013 broke down towing his caravan on the motorway, new injector and fuel pump too It had only done 24K miles at the time Friggin eck. Fuel pump is driven off the cambelt - so you need a cambelt kit/water pump/Aux belt. Water pump on these have the new fangled electric valved throw palte in them (these are not cheap on thier own). Plus you need to use a scan tool to bleed them up after they are fitted (this is time consuming on its own). |
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Post by Joepublic on Oct 27, 2021 18:19:32 GMT 1
My Bros Yeti 2L 2013 broke down towing his caravan on the motorway, new injector and fuel pump too It had only done 24K miles at the time Friggin eck. He spent 4 days of his holiday parked in a field  It's a lot of money for sure |
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Post by Joepublic on Oct 27, 2021 18:23:16 GMT 1
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Average 20-21 round town and up to 30 on a long run. 
