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Post by trickydicky on Nov 15, 2020 22:36:52 GMT 1
Yay, the boyz are back in town 😎
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Post by valhalla on Mar 8, 2021 23:46:58 GMT 1
Well, I've mentioned it elsewhere on this site, last week, but it now stands-out as the biggest difference between the Autel and the Autocom CARS;
I had a Mitsubishi Outlander 2011 diesel in the workshop early this afternoon. It has been around a few garages, and in the end, the owner had decided to just fit a DPF himself - the original fault was on soot-loading, and it seems plausible that previous commercial work was unable to bring the original DPF back to life.
The car was still running in limp-home mode when I got it today, but apparently it hasn't done much running (because of this) since it was fitted about 6weeks ago. Clearly it needed both the fault removing and the soot and pressure models resetting, i.e. a "New DPF" routine to be run.
I kicked-off with the Autocom CARS, but straightaway it gave me nothing but trouble, locking-up on the splash-screen on start of the application for over 5mins. It appeared to be busy in the background, and after a further 10mins, I checked to see what was going-on : Windows 10 was doing yet another update (bearing in mind it updated last week as well, and did the same thing to the Autocom splash screen back then as well) alongside the supplied Macafee anti-virus doing loads of updates as well.
Tired with waiting, and losing the will to live, I put everything Autocom to one side to deal with its "little problems", and got the Autel out. This was able to boot and get working in around 3mins, and found the car just fine over the VIN-recognition. The fault would not clear for more than 30secs at a time, and the "Soot Mass High" DTC just kept coming back. I looked for ways to make the car realise that there was a new DPF under the floor (I did check beforehand as well!), as the live-data was all indicating a new and unloaded DPF on measured parameters like differential-pressure, etc. but still had residual soot loading problems (from the old DPF). A manual DPF regen routine went wrong, and the Autel crashed ungracefully trying to sort it all out.
At this point, an hour after I had originally got the car first in front of the workshop, I finally got the Autocom to boot-up and get into the front screen, at which point it was blisteringly fast to recognise the car, recognise the fault, bring the live data up, and present the function that did not exist on the Autel MS908; the "New DPF" routine. One function-press later, and about 20seconds, and the car was sorted.
So..... the Autocom is potentially more powerful than the Autel, albeit that the Autel has not been updated for circa 3years now (off the top of my head) so may have been improved in many respects. The fact that this Outlander has been all over the Highlands in several garages might suggest that the fault has not been an easy one to diagnose on the original DPF, or to deal-with properly through manual regens, but nonetheless it might appear that the Autel is not your best friend when it comes to sorting-out this family of cars.
But.....I wasted an hour of my precious time before the Autocom would work, and what lets it down (every time in the last few weeks) is the b****y operating system, Windoze and all the accoutrements that go with it. Once the O/S has finished having little tantrums in the background, and actually lets this tool do its job, it's a pretty fine tool indeed. To have a DPF-renewal function for a Mitsubishi did surprise me a bit.
So, I'm going to write to Autocom, and see if they will consider an application that sits on top of a mainstream Linux distro, as that would make a rock-solid combination. Just blow the happy, clappy, cra**y, bloated O/S into the weeds, and get something fit for commercial deployment........
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Post by Rhubarb on Mar 9, 2021 0:20:41 GMT 1
Well, I've mentioned it elsewhere on this site, last week, but it now stands-out as the biggest difference between the Autel and the Autocom CARS; I had a Mitsubishi Outlander 2011 diesel in the workshop early this afternoon. It has been around a few garages, and in the end, the owner had decided to just fit a DPF himself - the original fault was on soot-loading, and it seems plausible that previous commercial work was unable to bring the original DPF back to life. The car was still running in limp-home mode when I got it today, but apparently it hasn't done much running (because of this) since it was fitted about 6weeks ago. Clearly it needed both the fault removing and the soot and pressure models resetting, i.e. a "New DPF" routine to be run. I kicked-off with the Autocom CARS, but straightaway it gave me nothing but trouble, locking-up on the splash-screen on start of the application for over 5mins. It appeared to be busy in the background, and after a further 10mins, I checked to see what was going-on : Windows 10 was doing yet another update (bearing in mind it updated last week as well, and did the same thing to the Autocom splash screen back then as well) alongside the supplied Macafee anti-virus doing loads of updates as well. Tired with waiting, and losing the will to live, I put everything Autocom to one side to deal with its "little problems", and got the Autel out. This was able to boot and get working in around 3mins, and found the car just fine over the VIN-recognition. The fault would not clear for more than 30secs at a time, and the "Soot Mass High" DTC just kept coming back. I looked for ways to make the car realise that there was a new DPF under the floor (I did check beforehand as well!), as the live-data was all indicating a new and unloaded DPF on measured parameters like differential-pressure, etc. but still had residual soot loading problems (from the old DPF). A manual DPF regen routine went wrong, and the Autel crashed ungracefully trying to sort it all out. At this point, an hour after I had originally got the car first in front of the workshop, I finally got the Autocom to boot-up and get into the front screen, at which point it was blisteringly fast to recognise the car, recognise the fault, bring the live data up, and present the function that did not exist on the Autel MS908; the "New DPF" routine. One function-press later, and about 20seconds, and the car was sorted. So..... the Autocom is potentially more powerful than the Autel, albeit that the Autel has not been updated for circa 3years now (off the top of my head) so may have been improved in many respects. The fact that this Outlander has been all over the Highlands in several garages might suggest that the fault has not been an easy one to diagnose on the original DPF, or to deal-with properly through manual regens, but nonetheless it might appear that the Autel is not your best friend when it comes to sorting-out this family of cars. But.....I wasted an hour of my precious time before the Autocom would work, and what lets it down (every time in the last few weeks) is the b****y operating system, Windoze and all the accoutrements that go with it. Once the O/S has finished having little tantrums in the background, and actually lets this tool do its job, it's a pretty fine tool indeed. To have a DPF-renewal function for a Mitsubishi did surprise me a bit. So, I'm going to write to Autocom, and see if they will consider an application that sits on top of a mainstream Linux distro, as that would make a rock-solid combination. Just blow the happy, clappy, cra**y, bloated O/S into the weeds, and get something fit for commercial deployment........ On your Windows 10 computer that you're using for this just disable the updates (temporarily) and/or set it to a certain time  |
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Post by valhalla on Mar 9, 2021 0:35:29 GMT 1
The thing is - I have already done this as far as it will go. One problem of the Lenovo configuration that Diagnostic Connections supplied to me last year is that this is a Win10 Home installation, so my options are slightly more restricted.
The PC is supposed to restart/update happily outside of working hours, but it seems in the example today (and last week) that the very action of Windoze doing checks and downloads in the background has caused Autocom CARS to hang 3x times now. It might be the combination of Macafee as well; I use Kaspersky across my whole business, but I have run out of licenses for this laptop, so I opted for something different as a 1x license standalone, just to see the difference.....
....and I think I now see the difference..... 
What might help with this laptop is to run it in the background more often, even when it isn't needed, but the issue there is that I would also need to keep an eye on it. Perhaps going the extra step with the diagnostic trolley and getting this laptop built into the framework would help matters - just fire it up with the main PC each day, and switch it off in the evening.
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Post by remmington on Mar 9, 2021 7:53:11 GMT 1
Yes, indeed, the cost of the annual updates was a big part of the deciding-factor to go away from Autel for me. The Autocom CARS software is nearly half that price, and I think Autel have started to price their way out of the market because of their decision a few years back to suddenly hike all the software renewal prices. The concept that the software is good by being copied from elsewhere made the near-£1200 price tag even worse to swallow, as I don't mind paying for original work, but top-dollar prices for non-original work...... The Telegraph has run a big campaign, and an article or two in the last week, about the data-scraping that has been going-on in China of-recent. It should come as no surprise, as this style is endemic to the country. [/b] [/div][/quote] I think in reality - with Launch/Autel - they are obtaining (stealing?) the software from the west and selling it back to us! I very often don't update these types of scanners. We buy them new - update for the first one/two years - the updates that come with the original purchase deal. Then after about three/four years - sell the scanners off and buy new again. I can't get away with just one diagnostic platform - one scanner! There are too many holes in coverage with them. Some are good at one thing - but very poor at others. If they were all as good as VCDS and cost the same as Rosstech products - and the updates came like Rosstech's - I would be allot happier about the subject. |
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Post by Rhubarb on Mar 9, 2021 9:06:35 GMT 1
The thing is - I have already done this as far as it will go. One problem of the Lenovo configuration that Diagnostic Connections supplied to me last year is that this is a Win10 Home installation, so my options are slightly more restricted. The PC is supposed to restart/update happily outside of working hours, but it seems in the example today (and last week) that the very action of Windoze doing checks and downloads in the background has caused Autocom CARS to hang 3x times now. It might be the combination of Macafee as well; I use Kaspersky across my whole business, but I have run out of licenses for this laptop, so I opted for something different as a 1x license standalone, just to see the difference..... ....and I think I now see the difference..... What might help with this laptop is to run it in the background more often, even when it isn't needed, but the issue there is that I would also need to keep an eye on it. Perhaps going the extra step with the diagnostic trolley and getting this laptop built into the framework would help matters - just fire it up with the main PC each day, and switch it off in the evening.
McAfee won't be helping either, very invasive. I've been using Avast for donkeys years. If you know you're going to be using the laptop for diagnostics that day just fire it up early in the day and let it do it's updates etc |
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Post by remmington on Mar 9, 2021 18:11:50 GMT 1
The thing is - I have already done this as far as it will go. One problem of the Lenovo configuration that Diagnostic Connections supplied to me last year is that this is a Win10 Home installation, so my options are slightly more restricted. The PC is supposed to restart/update happily outside of working hours, but it seems in the example today (and last week) that the very action of Windoze doing checks and downloads in the background has caused Autocom CARS to hang 3x times now. It might be the combination of Macafee as well; I use Kaspersky across my whole business, but I have run out of licenses for this laptop, so I opted for something different as a 1x license standalone, just to see the difference..... ....and I think I now see the difference..... What might help with this laptop is to run it in the background more often, even when it isn't needed, but the issue there is that I would also need to keep an eye on it. Perhaps going the extra step with the diagnostic trolley and getting this laptop built into the framework would help matters - just fire it up with the main PC each day, and switch it off in the evening.
McAfee won't be helping either, very invasive. I've been using Avast for donkeys years. If you know you're going to be using the laptop for diagnostics that day just fire it up early in the day and let it do it's updates etc John McAfee is in prison in Spain at the moment. Quote ex Google... "It is the latest in a string of controversies for McAfee, who has been arrested numerous times since founding the eponymous antivirus company more than 30 years ago. He has previously been suspected of unlicensed drug manufacturing, carrying illegal weapons, and in 2012 police in Belize named him a “person of interest” in connection to the murder of his neighbour – though he was never charged and strongly denies any involvement." |
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Post by Rhubarb on Mar 9, 2021 18:16:32 GMT 1
McAfee won't be helping either, very invasive. I've been using Avast for donkeys years. If you know you're going to be using the laptop for diagnostics that day just fire it up early in the day and let it do it's updates etc John McAfee is in prison in Spain at the moment. Quote ex Google... "It is the latest in a string of controversies for McAfee, who has been arrested numerous times since founding the eponymous antivirus company more than 30 years ago. He has previously been suspected of unlicensed drug manufacturing, carrying illegal weapons, and in 2012 police in Belize named him a “person of interest” in connection to the murder of his neighbour – though he was never charged and strongly denies any involvement." blo*dy hell that's mental lol |
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Post by remmington on Mar 9, 2021 18:47:58 GMT 1
John McAfee is in prison in Spain at the moment. Quote ex Google... "It is the latest in a string of controversies for McAfee, who has been arrested numerous times since founding the eponymous antivirus company more than 30 years ago. He has previously been suspected of unlicensed drug manufacturing, carrying illegal weapons, and in 2012 police in Belize named him a “person of interest” in connection to the murder of his neighbour – though he was never charged and strongly denies any involvement." blo*dy hell that's mental lol
I often wondered if he "teched up" the virus's he sold the cures for?The chap is dodgy for sure - he always had a huge group ex Seal team bodygaurds everywhere he went. Quote ex Telegraph newspaper. "Imprisoned software tycoon John McAfee has described his ongoing experience locked inside a Spanish prison as a “fascinating adventure” and says he plans to never return to the US. Nearly two years after fleeing the US with his wife and a handful of bodyguards, Spanish police arrested McAfee last month at the request of the US Department of Justice. Prosecutors are currently seeking to extradite him to face tax fraud charges." |
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Post by rhyds on Mar 9, 2021 22:58:31 GMT 1
McAfee the man is indeed batshit, and has been for a few years. He left the firm in 1994, and Intel have owned most of it since 2011.
McAfee the antivirus program is like avoiding speeding fines by filling the boot and sills of your car with concrete. You won't get another fine because your car's incapable of getting past 20mph. The first thing I do when servicing a PC is delete McAfee using their removal tool, then you can look at actually fixing the issue.
To be honest, the days of add-on antivirus programs are numbered. Firms (including the one I work for) are starting to use the built in windows defender software in Windows 10 rather than paying for AV licences from McAfee/Symantec/Sophos and the like as the extra features that the various AV sellers claim to offer are rarely enough to cover the extra cost of licencing and the performance hit.
If you want to see a PC in actual pain however, just wait for someone to ask you to see why their machine has slowed down, and you end up uninstalling two or three AV programs that all work against each other!
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Post by remmington on Mar 10, 2021 8:14:25 GMT 1
McAfee the man is indeed batshit, and has been for a few years. He left the firm in 1994, and Intel have owned most of it since 2011. McAfee the antivirus program is like avoiding speeding fines by filling the boot and sills of your car with concrete. You won't get another fine because your car's incapable of getting past 20mph. The first thing I do when servicing a PC is delete McAfee using their removal tool, then you can look at actually fixing the issue. To be honest, the days of add-on antivirus programs are numbered. Firms (including the one I work for) are starting to use the built in windows defender software in Windows 10 rather than paying for AV licences from McAfee/Symantec/Sophos and the like as the extra features that the various AV sellers claim to offer are rarely enough to cover the extra cost of licencing and the performance hit. If you want to see a PC in actual pain however, just wait for someone to ask you to see why their machine has slowed down, and you end up uninstalling two or three AV programs that all work against each other! I don't use anti virus programes since I started using Google Chrome. I am no PC geek. My PC never gets a virus now. But I now got Google spying on me and trying to sell me everything instead. I do load C Cleaner on all my PC's - this is free and does clear out some pooh... |
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Post by valhalla on Mar 11, 2021 0:26:06 GMT 1
To be honest, the days of add-on antivirus programs are numbered. Firms (including the one I work for) are starting to use the built in windows defender software in Windows 10 rather than paying for AV licences from McAfee/Symantec/Sophos and the like as the extra features that the various AV sellers claim to offer are rarely enough to cover the extra cost of licencing and the performance hit. I will consider your sage words above and maybe "go brave" and get rid of McAfee (and all AV's) in due-course.
It did occur to me yesterday that one think I haven't done with this laptop (yet) is sort it out with a couple of the "Windows tweaking tools" that I have used on all the other machines that run Win10. At the time, I didn't want to mess around with a works machine that has been set-up for me to do a specific job, but perhaps that might be the best course of action. Maybe a job for tomorrow night....
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Post by valhalla on Mar 11, 2021 0:31:39 GMT 1
Both Autel and Autocom let me down on a 2009MY Freelander2 yesterday; neither could configure the door-autolocking function, which is a bit more specialized on these earlier F2's (before 2014MY, if memory serves me correctly) as it is embedded in the security functions : None of these can be seen by either toolset.
However, what is more concerning is that the Autocom did some very strange and naughty things when doing an all-systems scan and clear; it managed to fill the ECU and the BCM with several hundred spurious "Unknown" fault codes, by not resetting the respective controllers properly. The Autel had to come to the rescue to sort all that out......
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Post by givusaclue on Mar 11, 2021 1:21:21 GMT 1
Both Autel and Autocom let me down on a 2009MY Freelander2 yesterday; neither could configure the door-autolocking function, which is a bit more specialized on these earlier F2's (before 2014MY, if memory serves me correctly) as it is embedded in the security functions : None of these can be seen by either toolset.
However, what is more concerning is that the Autocom did some very strange and naughty things when doing an all-systems scan and clear; it managed to fill the ECU and the BCM with several hundred spurious "Unknown" fault codes, by not resetting the respective controllers properly. The Autel had to come to the rescue to sort all that out......
i don't know if they're still developing the tool & you do need inernet connection but do you have mech5 or dec superscan 3? it used to be excellent on landrover & yu can use the dec on mech5 cloud software |
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Post by valhalla on Mar 11, 2021 1:43:50 GMT 1
I'm looking into the MECH5, however it might be prudent for me to just stick with what I have already.... The Autel is very good for most Landrovers, even the early ones (although I have Testbook Mobile for the really old stuff), and the Autocom looks extremely promising for 2016MY onwards, not least that it nominally provisions for the DOIP "Pathfinder" diagnostics on the really modern vehicles (none of which I have seen yet, and not sure I want to see.......).
I went to the MECH5 site to look for coverage, but the link appears broken and not properly supported at the moment.....
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