|
Post by Joepublic on May 4, 2022 20:18:17 GMT 1
Only a few days ago I filled up the tank on my Land Rover 110 at a cost of over £130, and it’s empty again now. Ouch! My electric car ( Enyaq) has been on order since the end of last year… now due in July! Hopefully that will be a tad cheaper to ‘fill up’. Had to google If I'd have said 30 years ago Skoda would have a model with a starting price of £41K and a waiting list of the best part of a year...... Looks nice
|
|
|
Post by valhalla on May 4, 2022 22:46:40 GMT 1
I'm still holding-out for my INEOS Grenadier. I don't care if it costs £150 a fill - it's what it can do as a working vehicle that matters more to me.
There's no charging infrastructure to support electric cars around here, or anywhere in the Highlands. The "experts" will all tell you that this region is covered really well, but that ignores the criterium "WORKING charge-points"
A couple down the road bought their Renault Zoe last Summer. It has not been out once since they limped it here from the dealer. No power-lines to support that sort of thing en-masse, no local transformers to cope with the individual fast-charge demands, and I doubt there will be reliable power on-grid anywhere in the UK after another few months.
Nope, INEOS Grenadier. It might cost £4k more than a small electric car, but it will at-least do something beyond becoming an expensive paperweight.....
|
|
|
Post by Noberator on May 5, 2022 0:09:43 GMT 1
Only a few days ago I filled up the tank on my Land Rover 110 at a cost of over £130, and it’s empty again now. Ouch! My electric car (Enyaq) has been on order since the end of last year… now due in July! Hopefully that will be a tad cheaper to ‘fill up’. Will you have to have a charging point fitted at home or place of work? Is the Governments car grant still in operation for electric vehicles? Don't recall seeing one on the road but they look stylish from pictures I've seen.
|
|
huffo
Tea Maker
Posts: 237
|
Post by huffo on May 5, 2022 7:44:24 GMT 1
We’ve had a charging point fitted at home, which the government contributed £250 towards (about 25% of the cost). It was fitted just before the end of March, which was when the government contribution towards home charge points ended.
The government has also chipped in £2,500 towards the purchase price. This was available on models with a basic price under £35k (excluding some extras), which ours was.
We live in the suburbs of Birmingham, so there is plenty of charging infrastructure around. For our use case, I’m very confident that an electric car will work out just fine. I can see why it wouldn’t work well for some people though.
Electric cars are currently extremely tax efficient as company cars too.
I cycle to work (7miles each way on a ridiculously inappropriate full-sus mountain bike!) so I won’t be using it to commute. However my wife will be using it to drive into Birmingham a couple of times per month and will be glad not have to pay the current £8 ‘clean air’ charge every time.
I’m not selling my Land-Rovers (110 and 1956 Series 1), so we’ll still have options in any case.
|
|
|
Post by Joepublic on May 5, 2022 9:20:53 GMT 1
There's a Polish couple at work just bought a new 22 plate Tesla - the small one thats everywhere ATM. They've put it on their mortgage- cheap motoring, NOT!
We have 6 charging points on the main car park installed last year when I was off sick, 2 more near to the offices for the big wigs. The Tesla above is a regular user (they're on the opposite shift to me (7 - 7, 12 hour shifts), other than that the parking positions are mostly empty, but as I'm 12 hours away fromm the car park there could be others that have been and gone.
We had a quote for solar panels at home earlier this year, modern effiecent slim panels, battery back up etc £22,000 - with no real guarantee we'd ever make the outlay back over the 25 year expected lifespan.
|
|
|
Post by Noberator on May 5, 2022 11:53:40 GMT 1
I'm still holding-out for my . I don't care if it costs £150 a fill - it's what it can do as a working vehicle that matters more to me. There's no charging infrastructure to support electric cars around here, or anywhere in the Highlands. The "experts" will all tell you that this region is covered really well, but that ignores the criterium "WORKING charge-points" A couple down the road bought their Renault Zoe last Summer. It has not been out once since they limped it here from the dealer. No power-lines to support that sort of thing en-masse, no local transformers to cope with the individual fast-charge demands, and I doubt there will be reliable power on-grid anywhere in the UK after another few months. Nope, INEOS Grenadier. It might cost £4k more than a small electric car, but it will at-least do something beyond becoming an expensive paperweight..... Am I correct in thinking you have placed an order for one?
|
|
|
Post by chippie on May 5, 2022 12:22:14 GMT 1
There are a few folk on our estate that have gone to electric. Across the road, there’s a Volvo XC40, they have what looks like a domestic socket mounted just outside their front door for charging. Along the way there is a Tesla thing, probably one of the cheaper models, they have a dedicated charge port mounted on their garage wall…. Our next door but 2 neighbours bought a brand new Toyota self charging hybrid, had it a short while and got rid….cost too much to run it…. … I’m not sure if the estate’s electric supply is capable of supporting electric cars, even if it means having staggered charging…. I’ve looked at the various offerings and there’s nowt capable of towing my caravan….( a modest 1200kg….) any reasonable distance…..even then, arriving at my destination, would there be a means of recharging it? For me the Passat is a remainer…..just hope we don’t run out of diesel…😂
|
|
huffo
Tea Maker
Posts: 237
|
Post by huffo on May 5, 2022 13:20:10 GMT 1
I’ve looked at the various offerings and there’s nowt capable of towing my caravan….( a modest 1200kg….) any reasonable distance…..even then, arriving at my destination, would there be a means of recharging it? Agree, not yet, but it’s not far off. The Enyaq 80x & RS are rated to tow 1200kg and they conservatively reckon have a range of 130miles when towing. They can be charged back to 80% (giving you another 100miles range) in 33mins at most motorway services. I appreciate that’s nothing like the range you’ll get out of your Passat and the Enyaq’s cost a lot more to buy, but it’s probably workable for families with kids who’ll need to stop every couple of hours anyway. As for charging: if there’s an electric hook-up in the camp site, then you can charge your car. It’ll probably take all night, but it’s not impossible. Give it a year or two, and I reckon they’ll be something electric that can do what you need. I’ve ordered a tow bar for our Enyaq. Primarily for sticking the bike rack on, but it’ll also be handy to tug our trailer down to the tip.
|
|
huffo
Tea Maker
Posts: 237
|
Post by huffo on May 5, 2022 13:20:10 GMT 1
I’ve looked at the various offerings and there’s nowt capable of towing my caravan….( a modest 1200kg….) any reasonable distance…..even then, arriving at my destination, would there be a means of recharging it? Agree, not yet, but it’s not far off. The Enyaq 80x & RS are rated to tow 1200kg and they conservatively reckon have a range of 130miles when towing. They can be charged back to 80% (giving you another 100miles range) in 33mins at most motorway services. I appreciate that’s nothing like the range you’ll get out of your Passat and the Enyaq’s cost a lot more to buy, but it’s probably workable for families with kids who’ll need to stop every couple of hours anyway. As for charging: if there’s an electric hook-up in the camp site, then you can charge your car. It’ll probably take all night, but it’s not impossible. Give it a year or two, and I reckon they’ll be something electric that can do what you need. I’ve ordered a tow bar for our Enyaq. Primarily for sticking the bike rack on, but it’ll also be handy to tug our trailer down to the tip.
|
|
huffo
Tea Maker
Posts: 237
|
Post by huffo on May 5, 2022 13:20:11 GMT 1
I’ve looked at the various offerings and there’s nowt capable of towing my caravan….( a modest 1200kg….) any reasonable distance…..even then, arriving at my destination, would there be a means of recharging it? Agree, not yet, but it’s not far off. The Enyaq 80x & RS are rated to tow 1200kg and they conservatively reckon have a range of 130miles when towing. They can be charged back to 80% (giving you another 100miles range) in 33mins at most motorway services. I appreciate that’s nothing like the range you’ll get out of your Passat and the Enyaq’s cost a lot more to buy, but it’s probably workable for families with kids who’ll need to stop every couple of hours anyway. As for charging: if there’s an electric hook-up in the camp site, then you can charge your car. It’ll probably take all night, but it’s not impossible. Give it a year or two, and I reckon they’ll be something electric that can do what you need. I’ve ordered a tow bar for our Enyaq. Primarily for sticking the bike rack on, but it’ll also be handy to tug our trailer down to the tip.
|
|
|
Post by Joepublic on May 5, 2022 14:03:07 GMT 1
I’ve done 3 loads to our recycling centre this week, £400 golf and half a gallon of diesel. £40k is more than our annual income and i couldn’t justify it any way. I’m doing my bit using “waste” cars for my 18 mile rural commute, we use the train for inner city and don’t prescribe to the throw away society either. Her 2015 Leon petrol only does 3k miles per year.
|
|
|
Post by chippie on May 5, 2022 16:45:10 GMT 1
Getting ridiculous petrol prices. Filled the Tiguan up this afternoon with E5 it's only £167.9p/ltr. Only £90 for 53.61 litres. I paid 172.9 for E5 at Tesco here yesterday if it makes you feel any better Local Jet garage, diesel is 179.9/litre still…..hasn’t t come down since Sunak announced the 5p cut…. Jet used to be one of the cheapest when I lived at home….(but that back in the 70’s… )
|
|
remmington
Apprentice
Owns Spark Eroder
Posts: 4,971
|
Post by remmington on May 5, 2022 17:14:47 GMT 1
Roadfuel (derv) is £179.99 a litre where I live - rural Norfolk.
Petrol is obviously cheaper... (don't know how as it costs more to produce than Derv?)
Electric domestically is on the rise (winter is coming and energy cap changes again) and only has 5% VAT on it - no fuel duty!
----------------
I get confused....? Do I think to much? I should stop overthinking things.
|
|
|
Post by rhyds on May 5, 2022 18:51:44 GMT 1
Roadfuel (derv) is £179.99 a litre where I live - rural Norfolk. Petrol is obviously cheaper... (don't know how as it costs more to produce than Derv?) Electric domestically is on the rise (winter is coming and energy cap changes again) and only has 5% VAT on it - no fuel duty! ---------------- I get confused....? Do I think to much? I should stop overthinking things.One hundred and eighty pounds a litre?! Either way, the main reason for petrol being cheaper is, IIRC, the fact that most UK refineries are built to produce a lot more petrol from crude than diesel, which also causes issues for us rural folk as heating oil is a very similar fraction to diesel. This could be seen when a couple of very large Middle Eastern diesel producers came on stream about 5 years ago and for a time diesel was the same price or cheaper than petrol. Also, IIRC diesel has a higher duty on it than petrol, because of complicated maths and the government wanting more money
|
|
|
Post by Joepublic on May 5, 2022 22:45:37 GMT 1
|
|