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Post by remmington on Nov 17, 2023 7:53:39 GMT 1
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Post by Rhubarb on Nov 17, 2023 8:51:53 GMT 1
My big copper/hide mallet does the job..
Wouldn't fancy a rubber one for obvious reasons..Boing
The heel of my Boot works well too, on the back of the wheel/tyre.
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Post by OldGit on Nov 17, 2023 16:08:02 GMT 1
You want a big dead blow hammer, the one I have is called 'Sinnita' because its a 'one-hit wonder'  |
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Post by remmington on Nov 17, 2023 18:27:25 GMT 1
You want a big dead blow hammer, the one I have is called 'Sinnita' because its a 'one-hit wonder' How big? In kg...? |
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Post by OldGit on Nov 17, 2023 23:34:27 GMT 1
Not that big - 1.5kg, we did have a 2.2kg one at the LR dealer specifically for farmers Deafener wheels....
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Post by valhalla on Nov 17, 2023 23:58:43 GMT 1
I use a 5lb lump-hammer and a stout block of oak. I have kept this bit of wood safely for every wretched D3/ D4/RRS (with alloys, obviously) that comes in for a service. It seems to be the back wheels on these, and the other bit of special-tool is the soft foam cushion to arrest the flight of said alloy as it finally drops off the hub. I have found that if I leave a fixing in one location, I still struggle to get the wheel properly off the (seized) spigot, so it's easier to "let it go" on these horrid monstrosities.
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Post by OldGit on Nov 18, 2023 8:34:05 GMT 1
To be fair, it was always steel wheels on the Deafeners that were the worst for us - probably some sort of chemical reaction with all the slurry.... Citroen C1 steel wheels on the rear were also a surprisingly well corroded challenge, usually resulting in a flat spot on the inside of the rim...
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Post by Joepublic on Nov 18, 2023 8:45:54 GMT 1
Wouldn't an old bottle jack fixed to a scaffold pipe extension jack them off (wheel to wheel)?
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Post by remmington on Nov 18, 2023 10:10:46 GMT 1
I been using a 4lb long handled lump hammer - with a lump of wood. But to rest the wood on the rim - you gotta lower the car onto floor when it is on a ramp - so then it is lying down and swinging the lump hammer. Thought big rubber mallet might save having to use wood - lie on the floor?  ? |
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Post by Joepublic on Nov 18, 2023 14:00:13 GMT 1
Wouldn't an old bottle jack fixed to a scaffold pipe extension jack them off (wheel to wheel)? Second thoughts, scissor jack and alloy scaffold pole would reduce weight significantly? |
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Post by studabear on Nov 18, 2023 20:02:07 GMT 1
Wouldn't an old bottle jack fixed to a scaffold pipe extension jack them off (wheel to wheel)? My bottle jack wouldn't work when tilted on its side. We tried between ramp post and a locking wheel nut that was slipping off. |
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Post by valhalla on Nov 19, 2023 0:16:58 GMT 1
To be fair, it was always steel wheels on the Deafeners that were the worst for us - probably some sort of chemical reaction with all the slurry.... Citroen C1 steel wheels on the rear were also a surprisingly well corroded challenge, usually resulting in a flat spot on the inside of the rim... I had a think about this, and it proves the point "horses for courses". Most of the steel wheel Def's I see are the ones where people care about function over form, i.e. they tend to have steel wheels on working vehicles, and these are the ones that get a lot of attention from year to year, especially with copper-grease, so they never seize on me. Whereas, alloys tend to be on the sort of vehicles driven by the "I don't want to know the details, just make it work" brigade on this Isle - pushy "tarts" that cannae do the time to fit the crime with their (usually recent) purchases of posh LR/RR, and cannot afford to service the thing regularly.
Also, with the alloys, it seems they stick on the spigots, which appear much tighter than with steel wheels; steels on LR products tend to rely upon the conical seats to do the centralising of the wheel to the hub, whereas that job is done by spigot-location on alloys (with flat wheelnut bosses). Once that spigot has grown tight with electrolytic corrosion, it's going to take a lot of force to get it moving again.... 
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Post by OldGit on Nov 19, 2023 9:42:45 GMT 1
Most dealer serviced vehicles less than six years old tend to be leased or on some sort of used vehicle purchase finance, the only dealership I've worked at in the last 12 years or so that has 'remove road wheels' on the service schedule is Ford, even then, it's only every 2 years. The rest - LR, Volvo, Citroen, Audi, Mercedes, the wheels are only removed 'as required'. Personally I don't agree with this as it's clearly storing up problems for someone but in the dealership world, if there isn't an instruction for it and time allowed for it, it doesn't get done.
Most LR's with alloy wheels have non-continuous wheel spigots, to counteract the corrosion causing the removal issues
Here's a internet photo to illustrate
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Post by remmington on Nov 19, 2023 9:59:06 GMT 1
Most dealer serviced vehicles less than six years old tend to be leased or on some sort of used vehicle purchase finance, the only dealership I've worked at in the last 12 years or so that has 'remove road wheels' on the service schedule is Ford, even then, it's only every 2 years. The rest - LR, Volvo, Citroen, Audi, Mercedes, the wheels are only removed 'as required'. Personally I don't agree with this as it's clearly storing up problems for someone but in the dealership world, if there isn't an instruction for it and time allowed for it, it doesn't get done. Most LR's with alloy wheels have non-continuous wheel spigots, to counteract the corrosion causing the removal issues
Here's a internet photo to illustrate
"as required" - sadly is the norm in the indie trade as well... I can confirm... 
I serviced my own Passat estate not so long ago - I did take the front wheels off - with a view to strip and clean the front brakes. But what I was looking at was half worn out rusty brakes - so I changed the discs and pads (so wasted the last 50% of wear) - but I had got them off - I was into it - the job. So did them... (but my average customer would not have thanked me for these actions).
Wheels were tight on my own car (along with murder tight wheel bolts ex local tyre bay) - so took back ones off and cleaned spigots up. Also did away with locking wheel bolts and put four plain 17mm capped bolts in - locking wheel key was on last legs ex tyre changingWifey is using the Passat at the moment and she needs to be able to get wheel/bolts off/out on the roadside if she gets a puncture - TeeHee... |
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Post by Karl on Nov 19, 2023 20:04:22 GMT 1
Tell you what were bad for sticking on transit RWD twin wheels
Always always give any wheel I’ve had off a quick brush off at the hub
And a smear of gob
Even blo*dy tells you to in the WSM
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