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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:05:55 GMT 1
Tested a Clio today and noticed immediately that the character spacing of the number plates were definitely incorrect. The Clio failed on lighting issues and the plates. Later the boss comes to me and says what is wrong with the plates, I pointed to them and showed him that no space was between the two groups of characters on each plate, and he said they passed here last year, which they had and I said to him yes but not by me. The car has been to us for a few years. It past its retest without checking the headlamp aim, level adjuster or changing the plates.
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Post by studabear on Oct 29, 2019 15:20:30 GMT 1
And repeat.
Find another job for your own sanity.
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Post by rhyds on Oct 29, 2019 16:58:22 GMT 1
And repeat. Find another job for your own sanity. This. |
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Post by chippie on Oct 29, 2019 18:20:37 GMT 1
What they said....
The cold facts are that if your boss permitted a car to out on the road that was not roadworthy after undergoing an MoT and some one was seriously injured or worse killed...He and YOU would be up for manslaughter....if it came down to it....
Can you live with that?
I couldnt...and that's the reason why I dont undertake repairs on cars for anyone else...irrespective of the fact that I'm not apprentice trained as a mechanic but I've no doubt that I have the skill and knowledge to work on cars ( I know a bit of trumpet blowing...)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 0:39:40 GMT 1
What they said.... The cold facts are that if your boss permitted a car to out on the road that was not roadworthy after undergoing an MoT and some one was seriously injured or worse killed...He and YOU would be up for manslaughter....if it came down to it.... Can you live with that? It's not as clear cut as that in my understanding. If and I did do it, that is sign off a Clio mot as un-roadworthy, well not really un-roadworthy just had number plates that did not conform to the requirements. I issued a refusal to issue a pass certificate for the said reasons. The boss decided that he would pass it, and he did, so he put a vehicle on the roads with illegal number plates fitted not me. I cannot be held accountable under any circumstances, I did not issue a pass certificate. Is a vehicle roadworthy when it passes its mot test? is it, really? |
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Post by valhalla on Nov 3, 2019 0:32:21 GMT 1
It's not as clear cut as that in my understanding. If and I did do it, that is sign off a Clio mot as un-roadworthy, well not really un-roadworthy just had number plates that did not conform to the requirements. I issued a refusal to issue a pass certificate for the said reasons. The boss decided that he would pass it, and he did, so he put a vehicle on the roads with illegal number plates fitted not me. I cannot be held accountable under any circumstances, I did not issue a pass certificate. Is a vehicle roadworthy when it passes its mot test?is it, really? Yes. It's what happens inbetween tests that goes wrong.
At the test itself, it has working brakes, steering, seats, doors, glass&visibility, lighting&reflectors, wheels&tyres, etc. etc. There isn't much more that could make it roadworthy.
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Post by remmington on Nov 3, 2019 9:02:01 GMT 1
I will repeat...
"Passing the MOT test is the minimum standard required for use on a public road".
Personally I would be selling the customer a set of number plates and a headlight adjusting session - if it would not adjust - I would be quoting for a new light.
What annoys me is - when they take them away with a fail and someone else passes them somewhere else - for "a drink" - (quote bribe)...
Your boss did the customer no favours - it would only take a policeman to pull the car - and she would get - 3 points and an £80 fine for the plates. The customer can get this thru the post off an ANPR camera without even getting pulled over - mystery letter in the post.
It was a few minor (low cost) things for an MOT fail - your boss should have earned money out of it - or at least attempted too and quoted the job out.
All the "we are getting rid of the car" "it is only a runabout" "I don't wanna spend too much on the car" from customers at MOT time - "is water off a ducks back to me" - it either passes or it fails - the rules are the rules - I did not make them!
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Post by chippie on Nov 3, 2019 9:49:40 GMT 1
What Remmington said.....👍
There is also the added risk,that if the driver should get pulled over by an officer for the plates infringment, what else may be found if the vehicle undergoes a cursary inspection at the side of the road....? so the 3 points and £80 is possibly just a starter for ten, more bonus points added? 😂
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 14:17:45 GMT 1
The mot regs are the regs whether we agree or not, but the basics to me are that if the minimum criteria for ALL TEST items has been met then a pass is issued and that said vehicle is then considered to have met the key minimum road worthiness criteria. If that said vehicle fails to meet ALL TEST items at the time of the test (not the day of the test) then the said vehicle is not legal to be driven and hence is not road worthy. So as trivial as incorrectly spaced number plates are to some people, if that criteria has not be met at the time of test, it fails and is not road worthy from a legal stand point.
We need to be clear on this point, which is from Government and not me. If a vehicle meets the minimum test criteria at the time it is tested (Not at any other time) it will pass the test. If five minutes down the road a wheel falls off, at that time it is not road worthy but five minutes before it was.
Yesterday I was asked to check a noise issue on a Citroen and on the ramp I could not find anything other than a slightly worn ball joint on the nearside front anti-roll bar link rod, and it was only slight. A road test clearly indicated that either the tyres or wheel bearings were noisy when driven on the road. Inspection of the wheel bearings on the ramp could not prove that any of the wheel bearings were noisy or rough in operation. An NVH road test would determine where the noise concern is originating from, but that said in my present employment with (my equipment) that is beyond my pay grade, so it won't get used. The boss was duly advised I could not establish the cause of the noise and the customer was sent away, which is not ideal, but I'm working within my pay grade.
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Post by remmington on Nov 3, 2019 14:57:30 GMT 1
Noise, vibration and harshness - NVH road testing. Is not definitive...
Nor should it been seen as definitive...
We have struggled of late with customer reported "wheel bearing noises" - only to find tyre noise that changes with road surface.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 15:44:23 GMT 1
Noise, vibration and harshness - NVH road testing. Is not definitive... Nor should it been seen as definitive... We have struggled of late with customer reported "wheel bearing noises" - only to find tyre noise that changes with road surface. As many say in our trade about diagnostics, it's no good because it does not tell me what is wrong with the vehicle! The NVH kit (depending upon your level of investment) depends on its capabilities as a diagnostics reference, however having said that it is not a plug it in and see what it tells you device. Tyre noises will change on different road surfaces, but will a wheel bearing change its characters on different road surfaces? I don't profess to be anything like an expert with the NVH kit, but I've learned a lot about the kit and its uses and how to use it, and I certainly know now how to determine differences between different rotating components vibrations and noises.  |
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