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Post by liam99 on Aug 19, 2018 20:54:53 GMT 1
Hello everybody,
What technical data we using, My autodata is up for renewal. Is any one using anything else like snap on, E3, Alldata, Haynes or anything else.
Wanting book times general technical data service info for most makes, Anymore info is better so wondering if I better off changing
Thanks Liam
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Post by studabear on Aug 20, 2018 13:26:33 GMT 1
We have the Haynes. It's quite good but the timing belts section is awful compared to auto data.
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Post by remmington on Aug 20, 2018 17:23:53 GMT 1
Hello everybody, What technical data we using, My autodata is up for renewal. Is any one using anything else like snap on, E3, Alldata, Haynes or anything else. Wanting book times general technical data service info for most makes, Anymore info is better so wondering if I better off changing Thanks Liam I use the full version of Autodata - I hate paying the £1k ish a year. It is full of mistakes on the wiring and fuse locations - but I can't find anything better. I don't often look how to do cambelts on it - as we tend to do the belts on the same type of cars again and again. Is it worth £20 a week? - maybe? - service lights - oil quantities - and the odd wiring job. There is even a new thing on some cars listed on Autodata - how to change bulbs. Times to do jobs. For mechanical jobs we use Autodata + 15% For accident we use the Thatcham Times System (TTS) it is as near to the Insurance Mechanical Estimate (IME) as you are gonna get . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 23:53:35 GMT 1
Hello everybody, What technical data we using, My autodata is up for renewal. Is any one using anything else like snap on, E3, Alldata, Haynes or anything else. Wanting book times general technical data service info for most makes, Anymore info is better so wondering if I better off changing Thanks Liam I have used autodata for years and years, I thought they were very good in the old days but it seems technical detail from them is now somewhat lacking in many areas. I did advise them that I would not be renewing when the time arrives. SnapOn is E3, and E3 is haynes as I'm told. I have used E3 and found many gaps in the data, they always reply when asked but if they ring you they are normally saying something to you that they would not want to put in writing. I found that E3 is also lacking in much detail although I think the checking procedures are good when they are available. One of the good kind members on here did provide me a link to the manufacturers portals, I find that their information is unparalleled. If I can find it I'll link it here. |
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Post by Dragon on Aug 21, 2018 13:06:55 GMT 1
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Post by liam99 on Aug 26, 2018 20:07:03 GMT 1
Got on Snap on data on 14 day free trial at moment.
Ask your dealer only take 2 mins to sort it out
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Post by valhalla on Aug 29, 2018 22:52:02 GMT 1
AllData is OK if you happen to need the OEM manuals in undigested form. The biggest issues I had were; a) not enough coverage across makes of cars b) undigested data is "heavy" on internet capacity - the main reason I had to back out of my contract with them.
AFAIK, AllData have not done much to improve the coverage, despite promising to include Jaguar Landrover before too long (how long is a bit of string) and promising to get back on any Volvo questions I had. Having access to OEM VW/Merc/BMW is very powerful, nonetheless......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 21:07:39 GMT 1
So upsetting today with Autodata that I just decided to call it a day with the job, not a good day today at all. Customer arrives with a Corsa D 2007 X12XEP, the complaint is the engine management warning lamp is illuminated and the engine is overheating. So yesterday a work colleague checks the cooling system and finds the electric fan is not cutting in, today the boss asks me to have a look, so naturally for me I plug my TECH II in and read the fault memory, P0480 present, so then I go to component test and try to activate the fan but it is having none of it.
I now look at Autodata and look up the P0 code and can't even find a checking procedure! Then I look on component locations and find the correct fuse box fitted, which tells me which relays and fuses to look at, good I thought, so I pull the lid off the fuse box and yes it is the correct fuse box but there are no relays or fuses fitted for the fan control!
So I look to the Air - Conditioning and find that the wiring diagram incorporates three relays for the fan control, but where are they?
Then I look in the engine management section and find the wiring diagram, a different diagram incorporating two fan relays and fuses that are in the fuse box on Autodata but are not fitted to the car!
I then look at the later wiring diagram 2008 and that diagram shows 4 relays in fuse box X28-1 but has no terminals data to trace power and ground supplies, so I then think I'll look for the power distribution system that will tell me where the relays are connected, not, there is no power distribution available to trace any data I needed!
It's technical data from Autodata!
They provide a basic description of the fault code and then tell you the probable cause is the ECM?
They provide the wrong wiring diagrams for the car your working on!
They provide the wrong fuse box relay and fuses data you need!
They provide PIN data and tell you in the listed pin data that no technical information is available?
Past experiences have shown that contacting them for assistance has shown that they come back with the excuse that the manufacturer does not provide the necessary data, hence Autodata can't provide it either, which is absolutely lies upon lies. In the past I told them after listening to those lies that I was registered with a manufacturer on one particular make of vehicle and been on their site and got the information direct, Autodata then had nothing to say!
This service from Autodata is robbing people of around £100 per month and we are not getting the data we are paying them for, this service is absolutely rubbish, and I for one will definitely not be renewing next year. That is just one job lost today!
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Post by valhalla on Aug 30, 2018 23:03:27 GMT 1
I would tend to agree with you there, Guardian. At one point, I wondered if it was just me being thick, or not spending enough on my AD subscription. It always seems to be the same symptoms you have listed so eloquently above; about three random diagrams for each make/model fusebox layout, no explanation as to which one is which, they all turn-out to be wrong anyway, then you see that there is a better layout diagram on the base of the fusebox lid anyway, and that doesn't include anything you are looking-for.....
In this respect, the information from AllData is far better; it was the reason I was trialing it, to see if there was any way I could get better electrical information. In my particular line of work, electrical information is all I want from a system like this, although I have found the cambelt change information useful as well, but paying-out over £1k per year for the privilege is not my idea of "good value". I'm not the brightest spark in the tinder-box sometimes (OK, always!) but I reckon I can fathom how to change a bulb. What I cannot do is be a magician and reverse-engineer a power-distribution circuit without stripping the whole lot out of the car, and that somewhat defeats my raison d'etre for the business. The biggest issue is; what information system can cover all electrical systems across all EU-sold stock for the last 20years (or so) ? AllData is fine for what it covers, but it isn't cheap either, and it can be a nightmare to workaround the individual manufacturer's layouts in their various forms.
The only valid method I can find is to purchase the info I need for each job, as I need to do each job on a different car, then try to recharge the costs through my labour.....not very well I might point-out...  |
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Post by remmington on Aug 31, 2018 12:11:48 GMT 1
Yep...
Autodata now shows you how to change bulbs - but good luck finding the fuse - if it is blown from the fuse box layout.
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Post by remmington on Aug 31, 2018 12:36:09 GMT 1
So upsetting today with Autodata that I just decided to call it a day with the job, not a good day today at all. Customer arrives with a Corsa D 2007 X12XEP, the complaint is the engine management warning lamp is illuminated and the engine is overheating. So yesterday a work colleague checks the cooling system and finds the electric fan is not cutting in, today the boss asks me to have a look, so naturally for me I plug my TECH II in and read the fault memory, P0480 present, so then I go to component test and try to activate the fan but it is having none of it. I now look at Autodata and look up the P0 code and can't even find a checking procedure! Then I look on component locations and find the correct fuse box fitted, which tells me which relays and fuses to look at, good I thought, so I pull the lid off the fuse box and yes it is the correct fuse box but there are no relays or fuses fitted for the fan control! So I look to the Air - Conditioning and find that the wiring diagram incorporates three relays for the fan control, but where are they? Then I look in the engine management section and find the wiring diagram, a different diagram incorporating two fan relays and fuses that are in the fuse box on Autodata but are not fitted to the car! I then look at the later wiring diagram 2008 and that diagram shows 4 relays in fuse box X28-1 but has no terminals data to trace power and ground supplies, so I then think I'll look for the power distribution system that will tell me where the relays are connected, not, there is no power distribution available to trace any data I needed! It's technical data from Autodata! They provide a basic description of the fault code and then tell you the probable cause is the ECM? They provide the wrong wiring diagrams for the car your working on! They provide the wrong fuse box relay and fuses data you need! They provide PIN data and tell you in the listed pin data that no technical information is available? Past experiences have shown that contacting them for assistance has shown that they come back with the excuse that the manufacturer does not provide the necessary data, hence Autodata can't provide it either, which is absolutely lies upon lies. In the past I told them after listening to those lies that I was registered with a manufacturer on one particular make of vehicle and been on their site and got the information direct, Autodata then had nothing to say! This service from Autodata is robbing people of around £100 per month and we are not getting the data we are paying them for, this service is absolutely rubbish, and I for one will definitely not be renewing next year. That is just one job lost today! Ringing AutoData is a waste of time. It really is... |
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Post by french crap fanatic on Aug 31, 2018 23:45:54 GMT 1
its partucularly bad for french cars as well!!!!
its one of many reasons,that i called it a day!!
theres virtually no info on later a/c systems that use variable displacements compressors!!!
beware,there pumps are fed by 5v from a ecu and the power is controlled by a digital signal,similar to engine speed sensor or rd speed sensor.
dont go putting 12v down these compressors,as you can blow them!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 19:47:18 GMT 1
beware,there pumps are fed by 5v from a ecu and the power is controlled by a digital signal,similar to engine speed sensor or rd speed sensor. dont go putting 12v down these compressors,as you can blow them!!! Which will then mean it is exhausted  |
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