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Post by Noberator on May 26, 2018 6:50:05 GMT 1
Government scrappage scheme under a different guise. You can't have improved safety on the roads and cleaner air for your grandkids to breath without change? A lot people are infatuated with cleanliness. "A bit of dirt is good for the immune system" my Grandad always used to say. There's some truth in that. I'm all for improved road safety and this change will weed out the unscrupulous owners who knowingly try and cheat the system. Also as Remmington mentioned it will render some vehicles owners into either more debt as they are faced with a bill exceeding the vehicles value. A vehicle used to be classed as a luxury (many years ago when I was a youngan) but not now it's a necessity in today's society.
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Post by Joepublic on May 26, 2018 11:10:40 GMT 1
You can't have improved safety on the roads and cleaner air for your grandkids to breath without change? A lot people are infatuated with cleanliness. " A bit of dirt is good for the immune system" my Grandad always used to say. There's some truth in that. I'm all for improved road safety and this change will weed out the unscrupulous owners who knowingly try and cheat the system. Also as Remmington mentioned it will render some vehicles owners into either more debt as they are faced with a bill exceeding the vehicles value. A vehicle used to be classed as a luxury (many years ago when I was a youngan) but not now it's a necessity in today's society. Had your granddad heard of asbestosis when he stated that? There's a whole worlds difference between exposed to germs and bacteria building an immune system and particulates damaging lungs and airways? RFL is still cheaper on VAG diesels than it is their petrol equivalents, couple that with a 30% better mileage range and the poorest off will always choose derv?
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Post by Noberator on May 26, 2018 11:25:52 GMT 1
A lot people are infatuated with cleanliness. " A bit of dirt is good for the immune system" my Grandad always used to say. There's some truth in that. I'm all for improved road safety and this change will weed out the unscrupulous owners who knowingly try and cheat the system. Also as Remmington mentioned it will render some vehicles owners into either more debt as they are faced with a bill exceeding the vehicles value. A vehicle used to be classed as a luxury (many years ago when I was a youngan) but not now it's a necessity in today's society. Had your granddad heard of asbestosis when he stated that? There's a whole worlds difference between exposed to germs and bacteria building an immune system and particulates damaging lungs and airways? RFL is still cheaper on VAG diesels than it is their petrol equivalents, couple that with a 30% better mileage range and the poorest off will always choose derv? Not 50 years ago no. I've got a mate with asbestosis picked up when he was young before the 1974 Factories Act was ever thought of.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 18:54:55 GMT 1
Day time Running lamps are not listed in the lighting and signalling section of the manual. I had a car this morning with DRL's inoperative, me thinking yes I remember them coming into the test, so on check sheet I made my mark and then looked up in the new manual but could not find them, so while entering results I thought I'll look in the lighting section there, and yes there they are, but you can 't fail them unless the date of first use is on or after March 01st 2018.
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Post by Karl on May 26, 2018 19:23:06 GMT 1
Did an mot today
Nightmare trying to find anything
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Post by rpm on May 26, 2018 20:32:16 GMT 1
A lot people are infatuated with cleanliness. " A bit of dirt is good for the immune system" my Grandad always used to say. There's some truth in that. I'm all for improved road safety and this change will weed out the unscrupulous owners who knowingly try and cheat the system. Also as Remmington mentioned it will render some vehicles owners into either more debt as they are faced with a bill exceeding the vehicles value. A vehicle used to be classed as a luxury (many years ago when I was a youngan) but not now it's a necessity in today's society. Had your granddad heard of asbestosis when he stated that? There's a whole worlds difference between exposed to germs and bacteria building an immune system and particulates damaging lungs and airways? RFL is still cheaper on VAG diesels than it is their petrol equivalents, couple that with a 30% better mileage range and the poorest off will always choose derv? Nothing wrong with a cleaner environment, and a ittle exposure to some dirt is good too. But from what I understand the emission limits havent been lowered on the older diesels, but visible smoke in a test is now a fail? So the car could meet the emission limits but fail because of a bit of smoke under heavy acceleration whilst standing still. It will therefore lead to scrappage of cars that meet emission levels of testing. And we all know the modern engines are just better at cheating and not necessarily lower emissions. Totally confusing and poorly thought out in my mind. Now if a car fails on a dangerous and/or a major, it is not allowed to be driven? So a testing station that doesn't do repairs, but fails cars on major/dangerous now needs a lot bigger capark ?
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Post by Karl on May 26, 2018 20:49:37 GMT 1
It was a RFR before for emitting excess smoke
And it was also illegal to drive an defective vehicle before the update
VE don’t have the power to stop an presenter from driving away with an dangerous vehicle.
And nor should they As it would set up for general public beginning held to ransom
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Post by studabear on May 26, 2018 21:16:54 GMT 1
We just advise if you knowingly drive off in a vehicle with a dangerous fail and you are caught you will be in trouble.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 0:01:02 GMT 1
A VE does have the legal authority to prohibit the use of a vehicle if the said VE believes that a dangerous defect is present on a vehicle, this applies even if the vehicle has just past an MOT test where a NT either missed a defect or clearly made the wrong decision. (Sorry to burst the bubble here)
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Post by Karl on May 27, 2018 6:45:23 GMT 1
Sorry meant AE
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Post by valhalla on Jun 17, 2018 14:46:31 GMT 1
I've had a call today from local chap. 1999 Discovery TD5 (EU2) with a "straight-through" EGR valve mod (I reckon 80% of the TD5 vehicles I see have this "EGR blanking" mod).
Question: Does the new set of regulations give an instant fail on a 1999MY diesel with a "blanked" EGR valve? If it is visual only, I think I know what the answer needs to be.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 15:56:39 GMT 1
I've had a call today from local chap. 1999 Discovery TD5 (EU2) with a "straight-through" EGR valve mod (I reckon 80% of the TD5 vehicles I see have this "EGR blanking" mod).
Question: Does the new set of regulations give an instant fail on a 1999MY diesel with a "blanked" EGR valve? If it is visual only, I think I know what the answer needs to be.....
What decision do you think I would make based on DVSA's way of thinking below! 8.2.2 Compression ignition engine emissions8.2.2.1 Exhaust emission control equipmentYou only need to check components that are visible and identifiable, such as diesel oxidation catalysts, diesel particulate filters, exhaust gas recirculation valves and selective catalytic reduction valves. If a diesel particulate filter has clearly been cut open and rewelded, you should reject it unless the vehicle presenter can show evidence that there was a valid reason to cut it open, such as for filter cleaning.Defect Category
Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer missing, obviously modified or obviously defective MajorAn induction or exhaust leak that could affect emissions levels MajorEvidence that the diesel particulate filter has been tampered with MajorWhen conducting an mot test you must be fluent in the understanding of how to operate both sides of the fence
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Post by valhalla on Jun 17, 2018 21:21:16 GMT 1
I've had a call today from local chap. 1999 Discovery TD5 (EU2) with a "straight-through" EGR valve mod (I reckon 80% of the TD5 vehicles I see have this "EGR blanking" mod).
Question: Does the new set of regulations give an instant fail on a 1999MY diesel with a "blanked" EGR valve? If it is visual only, I think I know what the answer needs to be.....
What decision do you think I would make based on DVSA's way of thinking below! You only need to check components that are visible and identifiable, such as diesel oxidation catalysts, diesel particulate filters, exhaust gas recirculation valves and selective catalytic reduction valves. Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer missing, obviously modified or obviously defective When conducting an mot test you must be fluent in the understanding of how to operate both sides of the fence Oddly enough, my draft document for the MoT regulations seemed to have missed the reference above to "Exhaust gas recirculation valves", so they must have put that correction in during the consultation period?
However, as you correctly allude, one could come to two distinct conclusions from the DVSA data above. My advice this afternoon to the chap who is submitting this car (recently acquired), and given my knowledge of the TD5 engine in some detail, is to ensure that the top-cover is present and screwed-down as the engine left the factory.
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Post by remmington on Jun 18, 2018 5:55:27 GMT 1
What decision do you think I would make based on DVSA's way of thinking below! You only need to check components that are visible and identifiable, such as diesel oxidation catalysts, diesel particulate filters, exhaust gas recirculation valves and selective catalytic reduction valves. Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer missing, obviously modified or obviously defective When conducting an mot test you must be fluent in the understanding of how to operate both sides of the fence Oddly enough, my draft document for the MoT regulations seemed to have missed the reference above to "Exhaust gas recirculation valves", so they must have put that correction in during the consultation period? However, as you correctly allude, one could come to two distinct conclusions from the DVSA data above. My advice this afternoon to the chap who is submitting this car (recently acquired), and given my knowledge of the TD5 engine in some detail, is to ensure that the top-cover is present and screwed-down as the engine left the factory. Yes "test as presented".
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Post by oli on Jun 18, 2018 9:24:59 GMT 1
It's a bit woolly.
Obvious is certainly open to debate.
What constitutes emissions control equipment? You could argue almost every part of a vehicle has control over the emissions it produces or was designed to minimise emissions, right down to the aerodynamics. Does noise count as emissions? No non-standard exhaust components at all, including back boxes etc? Does a modified air filter count? Non-original roof bars that increase drag?
I can understand the reasoning behind some of it and getting wording watertight is impossible but I don't think it should have been retrospective.
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