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Post by Dragon on Mar 8, 2015 23:14:40 GMT 1
I changed the clutch fluid on one of these during a service and only ended with half a pedal, you could always try bleeding it in reverse using the brakes ??
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Post by valhalla on Mar 8, 2015 23:18:38 GMT 1
Explain thoughts about holding clutch pedal down! What is your thinking? More detail please? Gravity Thoughts about this one are varied, but my own opinion is that any air trapped just around the master cylinder piston and immediate pipework can re-conglomerate back up to the venting port - so when the pedal is released in the morning after a few hours, what little air that's left in the system can return up into the reservoir. I have watched when I have bled new fluid into a new OEM master cylinder on several Defenders, and always there seems to be little bubbles of air returning up through the reservoir fluid when you work the master cyl piston back and forth. When I watch the reservoir after blocking, some more air seems to come out. The main thing is that the pedal feel is good enough to get the car out onto the road, after which I know it'll just get better and better with time. |
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Post by remmington on Mar 8, 2015 23:21:01 GMT 1
I changed the clutch fluid on one of these during a service and only ended with half a pedal, you could always try bleeding it in reverse using the brakes ?? I really dread the thought of putting brake fluid into the bleed nipple under pressure, this heap of shite has an eccentric clutch slave cylinder. I really don't wanna be spending another three hours removing the gearbox to cure a leak I have caused. |
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Post by Dragon on Mar 8, 2015 23:24:18 GMT 1
I changed the clutch fluid on one of these during a service and only ended with half a pedal, you could always try bleeding it in reverse using the brakes ?? I really dread the thought of putting brake fluid into the bleed nipple under pressure, this heap of shite has an eccentric clutch slave cylinder. I really don't wanna be spending another three hours removing the gearbox to cure a leak I have caused. Fair point, I forgot they had one of those horrible things. |
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Post by remmington on Mar 8, 2015 23:24:40 GMT 1
I changed the clutch fluid on one of these during a service and only ended with half a pedal, you could always try bleeding it in reverse using the brakes ?? I really dread the thought of putting brake fluid into the bleed nipple under pressure, this heap of shite has an eccentric clutch slave cylinder. I really don't wanna be spending another three hours removing the gearbox to cure a leak I have caused. Fair point. The issue I have, is the clutch biting point is so low. You have to ram the pedal into the carpet. I yet to test drive, if the biting point comes up a bit when I pump the pedal, it will be air in the system. (or a bad seal in the master cylinder). |
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Post by valhalla on Mar 8, 2015 23:40:53 GMT 1
Shaking the car down a rough road (there must be one or two around  ) might be enough to dislodge any air entrained in the fluid around the concentric cylinder. The bleed port on these is a bit dubious (just like the Freelander/Rover 75 TD4), so it might be worth driving it for a few miles, then just let the system bleed itself by gravity with a tube and jar for a short while. |
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Post by Rhubarb on Mar 9, 2015 14:32:11 GMT 1
With a fresh head, did you sort it?  |
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Post by remmington on Mar 9, 2015 19:51:27 GMT 1
valhalla
Well re-bled... No air! (well one tiny bubble I think). 6.30am when I started work!
Took ages to pump peddle up to get clutch. Biting point low!
But....
I have to report!
Left pedal down all day...
Test driven vehicle (took it home with me). 6.15pm
Biting point in the right place.
Conclude! You are right!
But I think... It is more to do with pushing the seal in the master cylinder back into its seat than air! If you know what I mean. Leaving pressure against the ram seals would reseal them (ish...)
I will reiterate your quote "it works because it does"
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Post by john on Jan 8, 2017 1:08:31 GMT 1
I've replaced the clutch, slave cylinder twice and the master cylinder. Seems to bleed up fine but still dont have a pedal and cant get it into gear when engine running. Its a 2006 suzuki grand vitara v6 1995cc. Any advice on what i should try next?
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Post by french crap fanatic on Jan 8, 2017 11:21:20 GMT 1
I've replaced the clutch, slave cylinder twice and the master cylinder. Seems to bleed up fine but still dont have a pedal and cant get it into gear when engine running. Its a 2006 suzuki grand vitara v6 1995cc. Any advice on what i should try next? yes,give up and get a proper mechanic to have a look at it! |
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Post by upkeep on Jan 8, 2017 11:36:15 GMT 1
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Post by sorted on Jan 8, 2017 19:50:36 GMT 1
I've replaced the clutch, slave cylinder twice and the master cylinder. Seems to bleed up fine but still dont have a pedal and cant get it into gear when engine running. Its a 2006 suzuki grand vitara v6 1995cc. Any advice on what i should try next? Are you sure you fitted the friction plate the right way around? |
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Post by upkeep on Jan 8, 2017 21:43:40 GMT 1
I've replaced the clutch, slave cylinder twice and the master cylinder. Seems to bleed up fine but still dont have a pedal and cant get it into gear when engine running. Its a 2006 suzuki grand vitara v6 1995cc. Any advice on what i should try next? Are you sure you fitted the friction plate the right way around? "still dont have a pedal" I presume it's a hydraulic issue? |
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Post by wheelnut on Jan 10, 2017 1:07:00 GMT 1
Slightly amused and slightly amazed reading this. I think the two litre diesel engine in the Vitara is made by a darling of this forum... Mr Louis Renault of Paris in France!!! How could you guys miss an opportunity to heap abuse on Renault and their French crap?
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Post by french crap fanatic on Jan 10, 2017 22:56:07 GMT 1
Slightly amused and slightly amazed reading this. I think the two litre diesel engine in the Vitara is made by a darling of this forum... Mr Louis Renault of Paris in France!!! How could you guys miss an opportunity to heap abuse on Renault and their French crap? if its the M9R engine that ive been told that its a nissan lump! |
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) might be enough to dislodge any air entrained in the fluid around the concentric cylinder. The bleed port on these is a bit dubious (just like the Freelander/Rover 75 TD4), so it might be worth driving it for a few miles, then just let the system bleed itself by gravity with a tube and jar for a short while.
