Tyre central 3/4ers, centre disparities, crash 4 cash!

[grimep]

Hey folks,

I've got an MOT fail (2nd test at a different centre) with tread depth below requirements. Front tyres were new on last year, only done about 6000m, but my fault, I didn't get tracking tested after some suspension work so its worn on the inner edge which I'd failed to notice. I'd forgotten MOT was due so rushed it in with just a cursory glance over the car. I've added a picture which shows where its worn. 3/4 of a 205mm is about 154mm. Ive put a tape measure across to try to decide if its outside the central 3/4ers, and I find it hard to judge - but it seems a bit borderline. Do testers measure 3/4ers? I don't like taking chances with tyres so took it to the only shop open today Sunday with stock and able to fit. The guy refused to sell me tyres as he said mine had tons of tread, and it didn't matter if the shoulders are bald because its the central part that is measured. OK, he's not a trained MOT tester so could be wrong, so asking you folks' opinions.

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I'll get both fronts replaced soon anyway, after kicking myself for wasting rubber, but is that really an MOT fail?

Having one of those weeks that makes you wonder if you'd be better off with a bus pass - it failed a week ago on emissions (derv), then this weekend at a different centre passed on emissions (good old Wynns and an oil change) but failed on rear suspension arm bushes (test 1 didn't even mention this as an advisory). And test 2 didn't mention 2 of the advisories I got at test 1 (f disc wear and f suspension bush wear). I expect a bit of disparity between testers, but a fail on a suspension component that didn't even get a mention in the other? Either I was lucky in test 1 or test 2 are fishing for work. And then while trying to put some miles on the engine last week so the Wynns would work its magic, I think I got suckered in one of those crash-for-cash situations. Classic case - roundabout with lights. Stopped at lights. Taking next exit onto dual carriageway on-ramp. Lights go green, cars accelerating off the roundabout and onto slip road. Then a car in the right hand lane of the rdbt, lane follows to the right, suddenly pulled across the car in front of me onto the slip road, car in front stands on the anchors and comes to a stop, I can't pull up in time. By a miracle there was no visible damage on the back of their car, but out pop 3 E. Europeans, little English, calm as can be, straight over to my car taking pictures, and of theirs. Odd thing was they didn't want to go through insurance, usually the scam is to claim whiplash etc. So now I've got them on the phone saying they've got a quote to fix the exhaust damage (yeah right) and can I pay £300. I send em my insurance details so now waiting to see if they'll claim (probably will). Barely any damage on mine, crack in the grille which I popped back and the bonnet shut lines are a bit uneven but no big deal.

So you think it won't happen to you, I'm a careful driver and usually maintain stopping distance but when someone is actively trying to crash with you, there's a good chance you'll hit. Accelerating away from lights is one of those situations where you are still close to the car in front and gaining momentum and an emergency stop in that situation is tricky. So be careful out there!

[Joepublic]

Mar 31, 2019 22:22:13 GMT 1 grimep said:

Hey folks,

I've got an MOT fail (2nd test at a different centre) with tread depth below requirements. Front tyres were new on last year, only done about 6000m, but my fault, I didn't get tracking tested after some suspension work so its worn on the inner edge which I'd failed to notice. I'd forgotten MOT was due so rushed it in with just a cursory glance over the car. I've added a picture which shows where its worn. 3/4 of a 205mm is about 154mm. Ive put a tape measure across to try to decide if its outside the central 3/4ers, and I find it hard to judge - but it seems a bit borderline. Do testers measure 3/4ers? I don't like taking chances with tyres so took it to the only shop open today Sunday with stock and able to fit. The guy refused to sell me tyres as he said mine had tons of tread, and it didn't matter if the shoulders are bald because its the central part that is measured. OK, he's not a trained MOT tester so could be wrong, so asking you folks' opinions.

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I'll get both fronts replaced soon anyway, after kicking myself for wasting rubber, but is that really an MOT fail?

Having one of those weeks that makes you wonder if you'd be better off with a bus pass - it failed a week ago on emissions (derv), then this weekend at a different centre passed on emissions (good old Wynns and an oil change) but failed on rear suspension arm bushes (test 1 didn't even mention this as an advisory). And test 2 didn't mention 2 of the advisories I got at test 1 (f disc wear and f suspension bush wear). I expect a bit of disparity between testers, but a fail on a suspension component that didn't even get a mention in the other? Either I was lucky in test 1 or test 2 are fishing for work. And then while trying to put some miles on the engine last week so the Wynns would work its magic, I think I got suckered in one of those crash-for-cash situations. Classic case - roundabout with lights. Stopped at lights. Taking next exit onto dual carriageway on-ramp. Lights go green, cars accelerating off the roundabout and onto slip road. Then a car in the right hand lane of the rdbt, lane follows to the right, suddenly pulled across the car in front of me onto the slip road, car in front stands on the anchors and comes to a stop, I can't pull up in time. By a miracle there was no visible damage on the back of their car, but out pop 3 E. Europeans, little English, calm as can be, straight over to my car taking pictures, and of theirs. Odd thing was they didn't want to go through insurance, usually the scam is to claim whiplash etc. So now I've got them on the phone saying they've got a quote to fix the exhaust damage (yeah right) and can I pay £300. I send em my insurance details so now waiting to see if they'll claim (probably will). Barely any damage on mine, crack in the grille which I popped back and the bonnet shut lines are a bit uneven but no big deal.

So you think it won't happen to you, I'm a careful driver and usually maintain stopping distance but when someone is actively trying to crash with you, there's a good chance you'll hit. Accelerating away from lights is one of those situations where you are still close to the car in front and gaining momentum and an emergency stop in that situation is tricky. So be careful out there!

I have the vehicle smart app on my phone, its ideal for mot / mot history / RFL prices and direct link to ASKMID for insurance etc. You'd know there and then if the car was fit for the road and have leverage / reason to call the police if the car was being driven illegally.

[Karl]

No the outer edges can be void of tread

It’s the main 3/4 of the tread we are interested in

The outer groves are often not cut as deep anyway

You can check the manual yourself
For the guidance testers judge and assess

If they failed the tyres, then could be there’s nothing wrong the bushes.

MOT standard is essentially clearly about to fall off , or obviously defective even to a simpleton .

[Noberator]

Mar 31, 2019 22:22:13 GMT 1 grimep said:

Hey folks,

I've got an MOT fail (2nd test at a different centre) with tread depth below requirements. Front tyres were new on last year, only done about 6000m, but my fault, I didn't get tracking tested after some suspension work so its worn on the inner edge which I'd failed to notice. I'd forgotten MOT was due so rushed it in with just a cursory glance over the car. I've added a picture which shows where its worn. 3/4 of a 205mm is about 154mm. Ive put a tape measure across to try to decide if its outside the central 3/4ers, and I find it hard to judge - but it seems a bit borderline. Do testers measure 3/4ers? I don't like taking chances with tyres so took it to the only shop open today Sunday with stock and able to fit. The guy refused to sell me tyres as he said mine had tons of tread, and it didn't matter if the shoulders are bald because its the central part that is measured. OK, he's not a trained MOT tester so could be wrong, so asking you folks' opinions.

View Attachment

I'll get both fronts replaced soon anyway, after kicking myself for wasting rubber, but is that really an MOT fail?

Having one of those weeks that makes you wonder if you'd be better off with a bus pass - it failed a week ago on emissions (derv), then this weekend at a different centre passed on emissions (good old Wynns and an oil change) but failed on rear suspension arm bushes (test 1 didn't even mention this as an advisory). And test 2 didn't mention 2 of the advisories I got at test 1 (f disc wear and f suspension bush wear). I expect a bit of disparity between testers, but a fail on a suspension component that didn't even get a mention in the other? Either I was lucky in test 1 or test 2 are fishing for work. And then while trying to put some miles on the engine last week so the Wynns would work its magic, I think I got suckered in one of those crash-for-cash situations. Classic case - roundabout with lights. Stopped at lights. Taking next exit onto dual carriageway on-ramp. Lights go green, cars accelerating off the roundabout and onto slip road. Then a car in the right hand lane of the rdbt, lane follows to the right, suddenly pulled across the car in front of me onto the slip road, car in front stands on the anchors and comes to a stop, I can't pull up in time. By a miracle there was no visible damage on the back of their car, but out pop 3 E. Europeans, little English, calm as can be, straight over to my car taking pictures, and of theirs. Odd thing was they didn't want to go through insurance, usually the scam is to claim whiplash etc. So now I've got them on the phone saying they've got a quote to fix the exhaust damage (yeah right) and can I pay £300. I send em my insurance details so now waiting to see if they'll claim (probably will). Barely any damage on mine, crack in the grille which I popped back and the bonnet shut lines are a bit uneven but no big deal.

So you think it won't happen to you, I'm a careful driver and usually maintain stopping distance but when someone is actively trying to crash with you, there's a good chance you'll hit. Accelerating away from lights is one of those situations where you are still close to the car in front and gaining momentum and an emergency stop in that situation is tricky. So be careful out there!

If you’re suspicious about the circumstances of the crash call the police and tell them.


Did you get the other driver’s name and address and phone number and the registration number make and model of their vehicle?


You say

"Odd thing was they didn't want to go through insurance,"

It isn't odd if you don't have Insurance hence they don't want to.


They are commiting Insurance Fraud so you could contact the Insurance Fraud Bureau or better still contact your own Insurance company and tell them of your concerns don’t admit liability.

[grimep]

I have the other driver's details apart from address. They are insured through the same underwriter as me. I'm at the wait and see stage, perhaps they won't file a claim. I've told my insurer of my concerns. But if you go in the back of another car, you are at fault.

[sb]

The guy did right not selling you tyres, that is a pass all day long.

[Noberator]

Apr 1, 2019 6:21:42 GMT 1 grimep said:

I have the other driver's details apart from address. They are insured through the same underwriter as me. I'm at the wait and see stage, perhaps they won't file a claim. I've told my insurer of my concerns. But if you go in the back of another car, you are at fault.

Under normal circumstances yes you are at fault for going into the back of another vehicle but if it's stage managed to cause an accident it's a no.

I think you'll find your not too blame when your Insurance company get to the bottom of it.

[upkeep]

Dash cam on order?

[grimep]

Apr 1, 2019 15:50:14 GMT 1 upkeep said:

Dash cam on order?

Haha, yeah, you always think of these things after the event. Like the time I fitted the shed with a couple of alarms after the bikes had been nicked

[grimep]

Still no resolution from the insurance company. Oddly the other party's car, a 15 plate, has been showing with no MOT or tax since April, puzzling.

Finally got round to fitting dashcams front and rear. Bit of a faff getting USB power cable routed into the hatch at the back. Wish I'd done it sooner, quite funny seeing what the Mrs has been up to during the day 😂

[upkeep]

Jul 3, 2019 11:00:43 GMT 1 grimep said:

Still no resolution from the insurance company. Oddly the other party's car, a 15 plate, has been showing with no MOT or tax since April, puzzling.

Finally got round to fitting dashcams front and rear. Bit of a faff getting USB power cable routed into the hatch at the back. Wish I'd done it sooner, quite funny seeing what the Mrs has been up to during the day 😂

Footprints on the headling gives that away

[rhyds]

Jul 3, 2019 12:26:56 GMT 1 upkeep said:

Footprints on the headling gives that away

[grimep]

Lol, took me a while to figure that one out. She's not really that athletic to be honest.

Nah, more the swearing at other drivers and occasional weird parking maneuvers.