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Post by eddypeck on Sept 26, 2017 9:40:36 GMT 1
So I've seen information that the 60 year MOT exemption is going to be brought in line with the current 40 year rolling tax exemption.
Personally I disagree with this, and the current 60 year thing. It's all very well to have an enthusiast maintained car, that's all shiny and stuff but how often does that enthusiast have the chance to get the car up on a 4 post lift and check that hard to see bits... anyway, regardless of that....
I've been thinking about how this might work as I have an 80's car that's been SORN since 2007, I'm keeping it because it has a cherished plate and I can't get the pate transferred off without it being taxed, I can't tax it without an MOT. And as it stands it needs a lot of welding, which one day I hope I'll get round to doing.
But now in a few years it won't required tax, and also won't require an MOT. I guess the Tax thing would be happening anyway and it's only tax that it requires to transfer the plate so the MOT change is irrelevant. It's just made me think about it now.
So does this change things, once the car no longer requires an MOT or Tax then potentially -
1. in theory if I got it running and stopping I could just drive it... which I won't as it's unsafe. I know it says the vehicle needs to be roadworthy, but what's to stop people recommissioning vehicles that have been off the road for a long time. Obviously they can still be stopped and checked and get done if found to not be roadworthy, and in the event of an accident could be in big trouble. But many people would try I'm sure, and will no doubt get away with it for a while.
How will the DVLA know the difference between a car that reappears on the roads that's had 10 year nut and bolt rebuild to a better than new standard and one that's been dragged out of a garage, had a battery charge, air in the tyres and fresh fuel and away you go???
2. without recommissioning the car, then surely I should be able to transfer the number plate off as it is and then I don't need to hang onto the potentially scrap shell anymore.
... any thoughts?
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Post by Karl on Sept 26, 2017 10:20:56 GMT 1
Can't see the problem TBH
Still legal to drive an un Roadworthy vehicle
How many what % of vehicles on the roads daily are 40 years plus
Not many
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Post by Karl on Sept 26, 2017 10:24:01 GMT 1
Defective vehicle that kills or injures and your looking at jail time
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Post by eddypeck on Sept 26, 2017 10:46:41 GMT 1
Defective vehicle that kills or injures and your looking at jail time Yes but that's reactive not preventative. I'm sure the families of a victim would rather the vehicles defects had been picked up before they caused death or injury. Like any law there are those that will flaunt it. But anyway, for the purpose of this thread I was more interested if it means I might be able to get my reg off a car that's not on the road as the only think currently from preventing that is that the car needs to have been taxed in the last 12 months.
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Post by Joepublic on Sept 26, 2017 12:29:25 GMT 1
Defective vehicle that kills or injures and your looking at jail time Yes but that's reactive not preventative. I'm sure the families of a victim would rather the vehicles defects had been picked up before they caused death or injury. Like any law there are those that will flaunt it. But anyway, for the purpose of this thread I was more interested if it means I might be able to get my reg off a car that's not on the road as the only think currently from preventing that is that the car needs to have been taxed in the last 12 months. I thought once sorn a car reg is non transferable after 3 / 4 years and it becomes the property of the DVLA when scrapped?
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Post by eddypeck on Sept 26, 2017 13:29:12 GMT 1
I'm not sure about that, how I understand it currently is that to transfer a plate a car has to be taxed, or been taxed within the last year. So SORN but not more than 12 months.
The car is not scrapped, it's still registered in my name on the V5 and one day I might get round to putting it back on the road.
However.... when the car reaches 40 year old it will be tax exempt, and if the MOT exemption is correct I won't need to MOT it either.
So assuming I get it ready for the road, I could potentially just start using it without any form of test - this doesn't seem right and I'm sure they will have something in place but I've not been able to find any information.
If this is the case, then instead of SORN I'll need to apply for historic status to make it tax exempt. To do this now I'd need an MOT, but when no MOT is required then surely I apply for Historic status for tax and MOT exemption... maybe this is where a 'check' will come into play as the car has not been used on the road for such a period but I've not found anything for this scenario.
Once historic status is given then I'll be bale to get the plate off, so maybe the question is what will be the process from getting a car from SORN for Tax Exempt?
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Post by Joepublic on Sept 26, 2017 14:13:09 GMT 1
Assumption is the mother of all f*ck ups - find out the facts.
You can bet your life that you wont be able to just "get free MOT, get free tax", insure as a classic and then put the plate on retention and make a killing, I think you'll find the plate is now non transferable due to the lay up and the only people able to sell it are the DVLA and they get the money too.
They've acquired all the dateless plates in this way.
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Post by Joepublic on Sept 26, 2017 14:21:31 GMT 1
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Post by eddypeck on Sept 26, 2017 14:47:54 GMT 1
Thanks, looks like that has changed also since I last looked at it as it used to be 1 year now says 5 years.
So for now I'll just sit on it, either way I'll have to make it roadworthy at some point if I want to regain the plate. And it's not to cash in on the plate. It's not a particularly special plate, and not that valuable, probably be easier to just get a similar one it's just a prefix style with my surname JAY. Although the number sequence is significant to me also so for sentimental sake if I could use this plate I could.
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Post by valhalla on Sept 27, 2017 0:01:02 GMT 1
Assumption is the mother of all f*ck ups - find out the facts. You can bet your life that you wont be able to just "get free MOT, get free tax", insure as a classic and then put the plate on retention and make a killing, I think you'll find the plate is now non transferable due to the lay up and the only people able to sell it are the DVLA and they get the money too. They've acquired all the dateless plates in this way. Agree, and I'm sure also that the rolling exemptions are brought into line with the vehicle taxation class being "Historic Vehicle" which is fine, which automatically guarantees that the plate cannot be transferred - I think? That is what I read when the "Historic Vehicle" classification was first brought out by DVLA. So in summary, no automatic right to transfer of historic numberplates. Which means..... you will have to restore and cherish this car!
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Post by eddypeck on Sept 27, 2017 9:20:43 GMT 1
Oh well, looks like sometime in the next few years I have to rebuild another Mk2 Golf GTI.... at least the plate is on a car I want. lol
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Post by sorted on Sept 27, 2017 19:34:02 GMT 1
Also bear in mind it is not tax exempt, it’s tax free. My Stag is 44 years old so free tax but I still have to have a valid MOT to get the free tax on the DVLA portal each year. If I don’t have an MOT I have to go SORN or expect a fine.
So unless the MOT exemption is brought in line your problem of getting it taxed remains.
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Post by eddypeck on Sept 28, 2017 14:14:21 GMT 1
Also bear in mind it is not tax exempt, it’s tax free. My Stag is 44 years old so free tax but I still have to have a valid MOT to get the free tax on the DVLA portal each year. If I don’t have an MOT I have to go SORN or expect a fine. So unless the MOT exemption is brought in line your problem of getting it taxed remains. That's the point, MOT is being brought in line with tax. So vehicles over 40 years old can apply for historic status and will no longer require an MOT or Tax. So given that I wouldn't need an MOT (in theory) I could simply apply to change the status of my SORN to Historic Taxed, i.e. taxed but free. I woulnd't have to worry about whether or not it's actually roadworthy as I'd have no intention of driving it. I'd just want to release the plate to retention. But I'm sure in practice it won't be that easy, I expect you can only get historic status on a previously taxed car, and can only get tax with an inspection, whether it's an MOT or VOSA check. I'll have to wait and see, but if there is a loophole I hope to be able to exploit it, the worry though is others would exploit it too and start driving non-roadworthy vehicles.
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Post by upkeep on Oct 8, 2017 15:14:44 GMT 1
So I purchased a basket case of a Kawasaki KH250 received the V5 and promptly Sorned it printed out the conformation, 15 days later a red letter warning me to tax or sorn said vehicle but I had? so found the printed conformation of sorn then checked on DVLA site only to find no sorn so did it again and success, any ideas why???
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Post by rhyds on Oct 8, 2017 15:20:44 GMT 1
So I purchased a basket case of a Kawasaki KH250 received the V5 and promptly Sorned it printed out the conformation, 15 days later a red letter warning me to tax or sorn said vehicle but I had? so found the printed conformation of sorn then checked on DVLA site only to find no sorn so did it again and success, any ideas why??? Did you SORN it using the new keep supplement out of the old V5 Or off the new V5?
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