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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 21:38:53 GMT 1
Have we got any Transit specialists on the forum? Referring back to this Transit I bought a little while ago, I have been going through it before I put it on the road into service. I checked the rear drum brakes a couple of weeks ago and found that the trailing shoes were very close to the 1 mm limit, and that the brake cylinders were leaking and the drums were beyond their 282 mm diameter limit, so yes the rear brakes were worn out. I bought new shoes and cylinders last week and put them on, renewed the complete braking system fluid and found that the offside rear brake adjuster was damaged after removal because somebody had fitted the brake shoe return spring the wrong way round, thus causing the adjuster to be chafed and damaged. Driving the van there were no noticeable problems with the brakes after fitting those parts. I ordered new brake drums off ebay from a Transit specialist supplier were the drums sent were the wrong diameter, they advised me they were the correct ones, then when I advised them they were wrong at the point of delivery, they then said in so many words that it was my fault. Their ebay platform has a facility on it for the buyer to select the vehicle of your choice, I selected mine and it came up on their listed selections and I was lead to believe the brake drums were the correct ones, when I told then differently they said my van was an odd ball and then advised me they would credit the drums back and gave me a new listing for what they advised were the correct drums for my van. I bought a second pair of drums which are the correct diameter and they fit, they look new and are listed as new, but they have serious amounts of excessive fluctuation and the brake pedal can be felt to pulse back and forth quite badly, which did not occur before the drums were changed. I appreciate that the drum brakes on these vans can be quite tricky to achieve the correct brake adjustments without brake bind and drag present, but had none of these symptoms prior to fitting the new drums. I have measured the brake drums diameters and they do appear to be 280 mm and they do look new, but I have heard that people have had problems with Ford commercial vehicles and brake drums with models like the Transit Connect, and am wondering now if the drums are in some way faulty? Anybody had any dealings with these Ford's and had any issues with the brakes like this? Thanks Harry  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 22:20:21 GMT 1
Mr Choo from Peking was having a bad day when he made those drums ...
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Post by Karl on Aug 30, 2014 22:25:20 GMT 1
Monkey is a transit man I believe Harry
Cheap Pattern parts are very hit or miss
Ok if like to do the job twice , no good for a retail job that's for sure
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Post by Monkey on Aug 30, 2014 22:47:21 GMT 1
Just out of interest, have you since checked for the drums being out of round?
Transits usually suffer with this problem when the drums have had the living daylights beaten out of them upon removal.
They also warp front discs a fair bit too.
Logic can only suggest it's the drums at fault assuming brake shoes/adjusters are right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 23:34:27 GMT 1
Just out of interest, have you since checked for the drums being out of round? Transits usually suffer with this problem when the drums have had the living daylights beaten out of them upon removal. They also warp front discs a fair bit too. Logic can only suggest it's the drums at fault assuming brake shoes/adjusters are right. No Monkey I have not checked the rear drums for being out of round, but I suspect they are as the only items I have changed today are the drums and the brakes were ok prior to that. I would never have suspected the drums for being out of round they are supposed to be brand new? |
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Post by Rhubarb on Aug 31, 2014 0:24:48 GMT 1
How long/miles between fitting the new shoes and then fitting the new drums?
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Post by upkeep on Aug 31, 2014 9:44:17 GMT 1
Genuine parts every time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 10:16:44 GMT 1
How long/miles between fitting the new shoes and then fitting the new drums? I put the new shoes and cylinders on about a fortnight ago. I drove the van from home to work, which is about 4 miles, then I drove the van home and parked it up until I drove it back to work to fit the drums. Immediately I fitted the new drums I roller brake tested it and the fluctuations were up to 70kgf on each side of the van with a seriously pulsing brake pedal, which did not occur previously. I thought about bedding in to the new drums but this amount of fluctuation is beyond bedding in, and a road test proves the brake pedal is up and down like a sea saw. Considering these drums were sold as brand new items the quality of manufacturer are crap. I'll ring them Monday to ensure they got the other drums returned before I complain further, then I will see what they want to do about these crap drums supplied. It's all time and money, surely our industry should not be providing such crap |
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Post by Rhubarb on Aug 31, 2014 11:58:57 GMT 1
How long/miles between fitting the new shoes and then fitting the new drums? I put the new shoes and cylinders on about a fortnight ago. I drove the van from home to work, which is about 4 miles, then I drove the van home and parked it up until I drove it back to work to fit the drums. Immediately I fitted the new drums I roller brake tested it and the fluctuations were up to 70kgf on each side of the van with a seriously pulsing brake pedal, which did not occur previously. I thought about bedding in to the new drums but this amount of fluctuation is beyond bedding in, and a road test proves the brake pedal is up and down like a sea saw. Considering these drums were sold as brand new items the quality of manufacturer are crap. I'll ring them Monday to ensure they got the other drums returned before I complain further, then I will see what they want to do about these crap drums supplied. It's all time and money, surely our industry should not be providing such crap What brand were these drums? Totally agree with you...I guess the biggest motor factor we've got left trading makes most of there money by flogging such crap  |
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Post by Noberator on Aug 31, 2014 12:16:43 GMT 1
I put the new shoes and cylinders on about a fortnight ago. I drove the van from home to work, which is about 4 miles, then I drove the van home and parked it up until I drove it back to work to fit the drums. Immediately I fitted the new drums I roller brake tested it and the fluctuations were up to 70kgf on each side of the van with a seriously pulsing brake pedal, which did not occur previously. I thought about bedding in to the new drums but this amount of fluctuation is beyond bedding in, and a road test proves the brake pedal is up and down like a sea saw. Considering these drums were sold as brand new items the quality of manufacturer are crap. I'll ring them Monday to ensure they got the other drums returned before I complain further, then I will see what they want to do about these crap drums supplied. It's all time and money, surely our industry should not be providing such crap What brand were these drums? Totally agree with you...I guess the biggest motor factor we've got left trading If it's from who I think it is their quality over the last 12 months or so is abysmal due to them having a new owner who is doing deals with Manufacturers in China.    |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 14:04:55 GMT 1
Rhubarb it does not actually say a make on the invoice, although there is something cast into the drum but I could not make out what it said . Noberator are you thinking of tpuk by any chance?
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Post by rhyds on Aug 31, 2014 14:09:59 GMT 1
I'd never buy brake parts from Ebay. At least with an actual factors you've got a physical place to take them back to. Also, its just too easy to put a set of Chinese brake pads in to a branded box when the only way you can be traced is by an Username.
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Post by upkeep on Aug 31, 2014 15:09:44 GMT 1
Nothing to do with the industry it's people wanting to save money, this is what has created the crap aftermarket industry with no back up and all the associated warranty problems.
Long gone are the days when if you bought an aftermarket part it was more than likely to have come from the original factory supplier from Birmingham, now all they are is cheap low quality mass produced stuff from china.
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Post by Monkey on Aug 31, 2014 16:03:36 GMT 1
Agreed, genuine or good quality branded parts..
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Post by rpm on Aug 31, 2014 16:23:07 GMT 1
Nothing to do with the industry it's people wanting to save money, this is what has created the crap aftermarket industry with no back up and all the associated warranty problems. Long gone are the days when if you bought an aftermarket part it was more than likely to have come from the original factory supplier from Birmingham, now all they are is cheap low quality mass produced stuff from china.Still good quality parts (as good as oe) available on the aftermarket, just stick to quality branded parts from a reputable supplier. The very reason I wont use Euro and Ebay and other such suppliers. Cheap is cheap, quality is quality. Nothing wrong with comparing prices, but compare like to like and avoid crap as far as I'm concerned. My reputation is worth more to me than 1 cheap part that fails on a customer, and for my own vehicle my own time is worth more than the cost of a cheap part that fails ! Personally i get annoyed that the motor trade supports cheap crap suppliers, regardless of price ! That is not meant as a dig at anyone, just my viewpoint |
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