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Post by chippie on Oct 30, 2014 18:11:36 GMT 1
As I suspected. Cheapest and best way out is remove Pistons,the rings will not be broken but stuck solid in groves, get the Pistons cleaned and fit new rings, It's difficult to get a good second hand unit for one of these . It takes a bit of time but not a very difficult job to do. Make sure the new rings are correct before fitting as I've been supplied with wrong rings before on this BCA engine seems there can be 2 types. Is it likely to need a re-bore as well? You should glaze bust the bores wirh a hone to break the glaze that will have formed on the bores....else the new rings wont bed in properly..... Any decent motor factors should have a cylinder hone....or else Ebay....
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Post by Stilo on Oct 30, 2014 18:19:50 GMT 1
The mechanic that checked the compression said he cannot explain why this has happened but believes she got bad fuel at some stage and mentioned that there is a huge issue in Ireland at present with petrol stretching using kerosene and he has heard of engine failures all because of this. Very sorry to hear what's happened here, and I too am hearing tales of petrol stretching though the trade. Apparently it's become so fashionable that the warlords have allegedly ceased laundering diesel.
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Post by mfk on Oct 30, 2014 18:22:52 GMT 1
best way out sell it for spares/repairs It feels like too good a car (or it did until a few days ago) to scrap. It is in perfect condition throughout.
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Post by mayfly on Oct 30, 2014 21:56:46 GMT 1
Believe me, stick a set of rings in and it will be as good as new. Have had a few of these that have been done by petrol stretching. It's not going to destroy the engine as some will lead you to believe. Any I have seen just have the rings all sieved up. But I would have the Pistons cleaned professionaly as the stuff on them is very difficult to remove.
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Post by Stilo on Nov 23, 2014 21:27:39 GMT 1
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Post by Noberator on Nov 23, 2014 21:58:50 GMT 1
Very interesting leew. Not heard of it being an issue over hear but I'll be keeping my ears and eyes open. Keep us updated please on any events that may unfold as to where it's coming from.
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Post by valhalla on Nov 24, 2014 1:21:27 GMT 1
The report implied that some cases had already been found of the stretching in the UK, so it's surprising that nothing has been said or heard over here. I live in a rural area where it is immediately obvious where the problem has come-from (there's only one filling station for 30miles!), but most issues are related to poor diesel quality, not petrol.
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Post by Stilo on Nov 24, 2014 13:17:08 GMT 1
The initial concern here was that the stretching was as a result of criminal activity. However the article left me with the impression that it could be a supply issue and something accidental rather than deliberate. The statements from the suppliers didn't exactly inspire maximum confidence. Equally, the two samples in the plastic containers which were melted by the contents also raised eyebrows - I would have thought petrol and Kerosene mixed wouldn't normally do that.
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Post by poor sick passat on Nov 24, 2014 16:43:51 GMT 1
I have exactly the same problem 1.4 tsi automatic it is a nightmare, had all same symtoms as you. the car is only 18 months old, took to dealer got quote today of €9280. needs to redo the whole shooting match, I know very little about engines so difficult to get into discussion with the mechanic, but he is sticking with the vw recommendation which is to replace anything to do with this issue, will not consider half repair, not that i would either but don't have 9k, and we are cycling everywhere now, and have kids 9 and 7 having to go to school. etc.
Insurance put clauses in recently to avoid paying out on this, so cannot claim! and was fully comp.
told the customs and they are trying to catch it, but difficult and even then, they won't pay for it? nonetheless customs man was fantastic about it and said get any info I could to him and he will try everything.
Only solution for others is to try and take small sample every time you get your fuel now!!??
Will update on how things proceed but just sitting here in a hopeless situation, from a 1 car family man.
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Post by Noberator on Nov 24, 2014 16:46:09 GMT 1
Petrol Diesel and Kerosene are all refined through the use of a distillation column making use of the varying boiling points of all the various chemicals in crude oil to separate products from the crude oil mixture. May be the problem is in the process stage?
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Post by Stilo on Nov 24, 2014 20:23:57 GMT 1
I have exactly the same problem 1.4 tsi automatic it is a nightmare, had all same symtoms as you. the car is only 18 months old, took to dealer got quote today of €9280. needs to redo the whole shooting match, I know very little about engines so difficult to get into discussion with the mechanic, but he is sticking with the vw recommendation which is to replace anything to do with this issue, will not consider half repair, not that i would either but don't have 9k, and we are cycling everywhere now, and have kids 9 and 7 having to go to school. etc. Insurance put clauses in recently to avoid paying out on this, so cannot claim! and was fully comp. told the customs and they are trying to catch it, but difficult and even then, they won't pay for it? nonetheless customs man was fantastic about it and said get any info I could to him and he will try everything. Only solution for others is to try and take small sample every time you get your fuel now!!?? Will update on how things proceed but just sitting here in a hopeless situation, from a 1 car family man. Read your tale of woe on boards.ie earlier. You have my sympathies and you have been horrendously unfortunate here. I think the dealer quote of 9 grand + is ripping the p*ss. There are many engine builders around and even reputable dismantlers that can repair or supply an engine for a fraction of that cost. Worst case scenario based on current form would be piston rings, head gasket, possibly injectors, O2 sensors and CAT, a fuel system flush and labour. A chronic misfuel of a Diesel engine wouldn't be that expensive,....
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Post by Stilo on Nov 24, 2014 20:26:43 GMT 1
Petrol Diesel and Kerosene are all refined through the use of a distillation column making use of the varying boiling points of all the various chemicals in crude oil to separate products from the crude oil mixture. May be the problem is in the process stage? But could a cock-up in the processing produce a substance capable of melting the plastic containers holding the samples ?
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Post by mayfly on Nov 24, 2014 21:25:33 GMT 1
It's difficult to say where this problem originated. As I said before I've come across and repaired a few of these by now. We have followed this story closely over here in Ireland and the relavent authorities have done there best to see where it's come from ,with little success. The amount of money to be gained from adding this amount of parifin dosent make sense, not like diesel laundering, which is a huge money making business for illegal operators. The problem with the petrol stretching is that it seems to hit at random ,from small outlets to major filling station chains. Which leads some to believe that it may well be something which happened in error rather than an organised illegal operation. Hopefully it will soon fade out as up to now it has caused big financial headaches for totally innocent car owners.
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Post by Noberator on Nov 24, 2014 23:30:50 GMT 1
Petrol Diesel and Kerosene are all refined through the use of a distillation column making use of the varying boiling points of all the various chemicals in crude oil to separate products from the crude oil mixture. May be the problem is in the process stage? But could a cock-up in the processing produce a substance capable of melting the plastic containers holding the samples ? Yes IIRC but I'll have to check my old science books for Chemistry to double check the refining process catalyst used as I think this could be an issue and is very nasty stuff you don't mess about with as it will kill you if you don't use the proper PPE. Leave it with me working on it. It'll give me something to do tomorrow afternoon when I'm all on my own. Now where's that ruddy Refining Process stuff.
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Post by valhalla on Nov 25, 2014 0:43:01 GMT 1
The thing that struck me about the report, where the plastic sample phial had melted, was whether or not it was a certified container for petroleum distilates in the first place, or whether someone had just given the reporter a medical sample bottle with some fuel in! Given the parlous state of modern petrol, it wouldn't surprise me if that happened with 100% good fuel inside a plastic bottle.
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