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Post by Rhubarb on Aug 5, 2023 11:03:23 GMT 1
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Post by valhalla on Aug 6, 2023 0:07:19 GMT 1
It's a lovely thing, and it needs someone to buy it and then restore it !!
Seriously, that's the main point here; Landrover never made anything properly, and especially the L316 Defender. They did their best, but sometimes your best is not good enough when you are "pi**ing into the wind" with a poor design with downgraded materials.
This vehicle is priced-up according to its mileage, but makes no allowance for all the things that go wrong, which is that there's no protection on anything, whatsoever. So you would have to strip it apart, then rebuild it properly, using quality materials as you go.
Context time : My 110 was 6-years old when I bought it in 2004, this one is already 11-years old. My 110 has the most reliable engine Landrover has ever built, with one piece of electrical c**p, i.e. an electrical stop-solenoid, whereas this one has one of the most unreliable engines ever fitted to Defender, loaded with electrical c**p. The guide-price of £40k minimum is enough to buy all the bits I need to make a "fantasy Defender" and still leave enough change to pay me an hourly rate of £50/hr for 440hours.
No....I very much like the direction my own Defender is going, whereas this one deserves to go to a good home where it will be cossetted and garaged, with continual injections of cash & wax to keep it in as-new condition. And don't forget, it can only be new once, so once that is gone, the value will descend accordingly.
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Post by OldGit on Aug 6, 2023 0:59:20 GMT 1
I almost feel like apologising for buying an L405 - but I won't, so there! In all honesty, I'd have liked to do a 'nuts & bolts' rebuild of my L322 - I think it would have monetarily cost more than the L405 and certainly cost me more time than I'd want to spend. The problem is I don't have space or facilities at home, I could do it at work but it would need to be a rolling chassis Monday to Friday, all of which makes it more onerous and less personal value than moving on...
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Post by valhalla on Aug 6, 2023 1:59:18 GMT 1
The Defender is pretty much unique in the modern world of restoration, in that the value of components that goes into a rebuild is redeemable at point-of-sale. An L322 is also a very complex machine, and therefore makes less sense to restore from scratch, although yours has a limited area of damage.
I saw this with the D2 TD5 I did (and still run right now) ; I needed to put a similar amount f money in as I am now injecting into the Defender, but the return on that investment is more dubious. I didn't take the cosmetics anywhere near where they needed to go to justify a decent sale-price, and even things like water-tightness are yet to be addressed really thoroughly. Hence I'm having second-thoughts about the sale of the D2; I have someone local who really wants it (he can see the value of what has gone into it so-far), but it is never going to be as good as a low-mileage, 1-owner D2 for cosmetics, and is more difficult to ask/justify the cost. To me, it's worth a lot, as it's a working vehicle. I will probably have to ask its value to me, and be prepared to haggle, which I'm never great at doing........
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Post by Roverman on Aug 6, 2023 7:42:41 GMT 1
I am really pleased and happy with my P38A its in excellent condition and a great ride, could not wish for a better shopping trolley and the odd show and when its not raining when ? its great to be out in the P4 80 I love my Rovers  |
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Post by remmington on Aug 6, 2023 9:26:25 GMT 1
I almost feel like apologising for buying an L405 - but I won't, so there! In all honesty, I'd have liked to do a 'nuts & bolts' rebuild of my L322 - I think it would have monetarily cost more than the L405 and certainly cost me more time than I'd want to spend. The problem is I don't have space or facilities at home, I could do it at work but it would need to be a rolling chassis Monday to Friday, all of which makes it more onerous and less personal value than moving on...
I will say it again - buying your life back - has a higher value! I been looking at this - www.motorradkonnection.com/products/r100-g-s-1085cc-1999-swr-rallye-bikeI really want it - I can afford it - but it will just sit in my garage with the rest of my bikes I don't use - and when it needs any repair - I will end up making things for it or spending months obtaining parts for it. |
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Post by Roverman on Aug 6, 2023 14:08:10 GMT 1
From a true yorkshire man how much |
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Post by OldGit on Aug 6, 2023 16:37:17 GMT 1
I almost feel like apologising for buying an L405 - but I won't, so there! In all honesty, I'd have liked to do a 'nuts & bolts' rebuild of my L322 - I think it would have monetarily cost more than the L405 and certainly cost me more time than I'd want to spend. The problem is I don't have space or facilities at home, I could do it at work but it would need to be a rolling chassis Monday to Friday, all of which makes it more onerous and less personal value than moving on...
I will say it again - buying your life back - has a higher value! I been looking at this - www.motorradkonnection.com/products/r100-g-s-1085cc-1999-swr-rallye-bikeI really want it - I can afford it - but it will just sit in my garage with the rest of my bikes I don't use - and when it needs any repair - I will end up making things for it or spending months obtaining parts for it. Well first you need to work out why you don't use the ones you have - and fix that first, or if unfixable, work out what you can do to generate some 'you time' and what you could do that you'd enjoy. For example, I really enjoy wild camping - I'd really like to spend a few days trampling all over Valhalla's island but I just cant get the time to do that, so I settle for hiding away from the FC wardens in Kielder forest... |
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Post by remmington on Aug 6, 2023 21:59:46 GMT 1
I will say it again - buying your life back - has a higher value! I been looking at this - www.motorradkonnection.com/products/r100-g-s-1085cc-1999-swr-rallye-bikeI really want it - I can afford it - but it will just sit in my garage with the rest of my bikes I don't use - and when it needs any repair - I will end up making things for it or spending months obtaining parts for it. Well first you need to work out why you don't use the ones you have - and fix that first, or if unfixable, work out what you can do to generate some 'you time' and what you could do that you'd enjoy. For example, I really enjoy wild camping - I'd really like to spend a few days trampling all over Valhalla's island but I just cant get the time to do that, so I settle for hiding away from the FC wardens in Kielder forest... I like wild camping to... I still do it with my grandsons on the big river banks near us... Many moons ago - late 80's - me and wifey used to go on cycle touring holidays - camping anywhere - sports fields - church yards - woods - laybys - we done all of Southern Ireland - lots of Europe. All on the cheap (as we did not have as much money as we do now). Some camp sites - swimming pools for washing - odd B&B for a treat. Bikes long gone - but I still got the SVEA petrol stove we used and it still works. Trick with wild camping is arrive late and leave early - if you abide to this one single rule - you can camp on village greens and play parks - anywhere. Camping kit has got real light and good of late - I often look and buy stuff from this website... ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/But yes OldGit - I do fancy a coastal UK tour on a small motorbike on my own when I retire (bucket list stuff). Get a Michelin sheet map and a marker pen and mark it off as I do it bit by bit |
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Post by givusaclue on Aug 6, 2023 23:31:31 GMT 1
Well first you need to work out why you don't use the ones you have - and fix that first, or if unfixable, work out what you can do to generate some 'you time' and what you could do that you'd enjoy. For example, I really enjoy wild camping - I'd really like to spend a few days trampling all over Valhalla's island but I just cant get the time to do that, so I settle for hiding away from the FC wardens in Kielder forest... I like wild camping to... I still do it with my grandsons on the big river banks near us... Many moons ago - late 80's - me and wifey used to go on cycle touring holidays - camping anywhere - sports fields - church yards - woods - laybys - we done all of Southern Ireland - lots of Europe. All on the cheap (as we did not have as much money as we do now). Some camp sites - swimming pools for washing - odd B&B for a treat. Bikes long gone - but I still got the SVEA petrol stove we used and it still works. Trick with wild camping is arrive late and leave early - if you abide to this one single rule - you can camp on village greens and play parks - anywhere. Camping kit has got real light and good of late - I often look and buy stuff from this website... ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/But yes OldGit - I do fancy a coastal UK tour on a small motorbike on my own when I retire (bucket list stuff). Get a Michelin sheet map and a marker pen and mark it off as I do it bit by bitThis sounds very appealing, but like everyone else, time is the issue, been so busy lately I haven’t been on here much lately. I’ve got 4 bikes on the road this year, ridden 2 of them! but none for almost 2 months, had a guy off for almost a month on paternity leave, that really put us under strain. |
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Post by Noberator on Aug 7, 2023 20:09:09 GMT 1
From a true yorkshire man how much Bonkers money.  |
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Post by Dragon on Aug 11, 2023 22:38:28 GMT 1
I almost feel like apologising for buying an L405 - but I won't, so there! In all honesty, I'd have liked to do a 'nuts & bolts' rebuild of my L322 - I think it would have monetarily cost more than the L405 and certainly cost me more time than I'd want to spend. The problem is I don't have space or facilities at home, I could do it at work but it would need to be a rolling chassis Monday to Friday, all of which makes it more onerous and less personal value than moving on...
I will say it again - buying your life back - has a higher value! I been looking at this - www.motorradkonnection.com/products/r100-g-s-1085cc-1999-swr-rallye-bikeI really want it - I can afford it - but it will just sit in my garage with the rest of my bikes I don't use - and when it needs any repair - I will end up making things for it or spending months obtaining parts for it. Umm,Very, very nice, we're only here once |
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Post by valhalla on Aug 11, 2023 23:03:02 GMT 1
The trouble with any motorbike is this;
You cannot take it (money) with you when you go, so a motorbike is a good way of blowing that money, but the reason you "go" may well be down to the motorbike in the first place....  |
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Post by givusaclue on Aug 12, 2023 13:06:50 GMT 1
The trouble with any motorbike is this;
You cannot take it (money) with you when you go, so a motorbike is a good way of blowing that money, but the reason you "go" may well be down to the motorbike in the first place.... sound like my mother 40 years ago  |
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Post by remmington on Aug 13, 2023 9:14:56 GMT 1
The trouble with any motorbike is this; You cannot take it (money) with you when you go, so a motorbike is a good way of blowing that money, but the reason you "go" may well be down to the motorbike in the first place.... sound like my mother 40 years ago - just over 40yrs ago - my Mother made me take "a moped test". There was no CBT testing at the time - this was the "full ride round like a proper Motorbike test". I kid you not - I must have been the only 16yr kid in the UK - that did not have L plates on his "bigbore" FS1E and I had a SS50 in that same year (early lesson in 4 strokes blow up less than 2 strokes). Up until 1990 a learner could take a passenger on the back of a motorcycle as long as the passenger had a full motorcycle licence - which meant I could go on the back of mates mopeds or take passengers on my moped. This demand for not having L plates worked against Mother - as motorbike tests were different in 1983/1984. In about 1983 - the 125cc law came in for 17 year olds with two part testing. As I had already taken "a moped test" - I did not have to do the first part of the new two part test. So three days after my 17 birthday - I borrowed/rented a CB100N from one of the new driving schools that had sprung up - did my motorbike test - simple ride round town route with tester on foot with a clipboard - same as the moped test I had already taken. Then I was off - allowed to ride the big silver 1979 Honda CB900F1 I had saved up and bought. I don't even remmember the Norwich Union Rider policy insurance being that expensive either. ---------
I don't understand how motorbike tests work now - CBT? - direct access? - age limits and power outputs? - but for sure it was all introduced to stop young lads doing what I did! I still ride a motorbike most days - I commute to workshop on a 2014 Honda Wave 108cc 8.25hp 150mpg AFS110 (modern C90 thing) had it six years now - bought it when it was three years old. And I am pricing up buying a brand new Honda CB125F - the full 10.25hp with five gears and clutch and they reckon it will return 183mpg? To be honest - I have not had t0o many big bikes - odd RT BMW for rides out - still got BMW's in my domestic garage now - but don't ride them. But the volume of my riding has been over 40yrs - going to work and back - short distances on little low CC Hondas. Picture Grandad with an open faced helmet and topbox in your mind - more than GhostRider in leathers on a sportsbike on one wheel... ---------- I reckon when I finaly retire - I will still be fetching Milk/Bread - a bit of shopping - fish and chips on a little Honda. Rhubarb/Simon reckons a modern - Scooter with huge underseat storage is what I want next... |
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