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Post by Roverman on Nov 18, 2022 11:56:07 GMT 1
One thing I forgot to mention there is a sign on my garage door it says Dads service & repair garage open when I feel like it, that's the had best thing about being retired when you have had enough you just walk away there is always a other day. My late wife once told me this about old age The value of old age Remember old folks are worth a fortune with silver in their hair, gold in their teeth, stones in their kidneys, gas in their stomachs, I have become a little older since I spoke to you last, changes have come into my life, I am quite a frivolous old girl, I am seeing five gentlemen each day, as soon as I wake up Will Power helps me out of bed, then I go to visit Looe, next its time for Mr Quaker who gives me my oats, they leave and Arthur Ritus shows up & stays the rest of the day, he doesn't stay in one place very long so he takes me from joint to joint, after such a busy day I am ready for bed with Johnny Walker, what a life! and oh yes I am flirting with Al Zymer, the vicar came the other day and said at your age you should be thinking about the here after, I told him oh I do, no matter where I am in the lounge or up stairs, in the kitchen, I ask myself Now what am I here after  |
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Post by remmington on Nov 18, 2022 18:04:42 GMT 1
One thing I forgot to mention there is a sign on my garage door it says Dads service & repair garage open when I feel like it, that's the had best thing about being retired when you have had enough you just walk away there is always a other day. My late wife once told me this about old age The value of old age Remember old folks are worth a fortune with silver in their hair, gold in their teeth, stones in their kidneys, gas in their stomachs, I have become a little older since I spoke to you last, changes have come into my life, I am quite a frivolous old girl, I am seeing five gentlemen each day, as soon as I wake up Will Power helps me out of bed, then I go to visit Looe, next its time for Mr Quaker who gives me my oats, they leave and Arthur Ritus shows up & stays the rest of the day, he doesn't stay in one place very long so he takes me from joint to joint, after such a busy day I am ready for bed with Johnny Walker, what a life! and oh yes I am flirting with Al Zymer, the vicar came the other day and said at your age you should be thinking about the here after, I told him oh I do, no matter where I am in the lounge or up stairs, in the kitchen, I ask myself Now what am I here after I like hearing from you Roverman - aged 85 ish - on the subject of retirement - "you are the man" - you have been there and done it... |
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Post by valhalla on Nov 18, 2022 23:32:37 GMT 1
I was thinking about the topic of this thread when I read the article in the Torygraph a few days ago - 50's workforce (that's people in their 50's) that were giving-up and retiring, instead of working themselves into an early-grave, and were therefore the cause of all the woes in this country for shortage of working-people.
Now, I'm usually a mild-mannered, and well-mannered, sort of individual, but I did have to fire a few expletives across the kitchen!!!
On the subject of, "What are the Tories really for, these days?", I would say that they are for themselves, and couldn't see the wood for the trees, even if it fell across their bonnet......
The reasons everyone is getting out of "The Game" (i.e. work) is multifarious; a) They are not valued as experienced individuals (I speak as an Engineer on this point) b) They work themselves to the bone in self-employment, take all the risks, get nothing from the government, pay the taxes for the wastage in the Public Sector c) Are sick of being tax-collectors for HMRC, without any compensation (I'm thinking MTD at this point) or support d) They stuck it out throughout lockdown, kept their businesses afloat, got little support but lots of stress from the government, only to find that they are now the target for the Chancellor
etc. etc. ad-nauseum rant.......
So it would do the government some good if they had a review of their policies, and decided just what they want; a happy, valued workforce, embracing the huge experience of the older generations, or a retired workforce that take the best way out (for themselves) and reap some of the benefits of all their hard work of the past.
OK, rant really over, stop hijacking this thread, take tablets and deep, deep breaths......
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Post by remmington on Nov 19, 2022 8:11:49 GMT 1
I was thinking about the topic of this thread when I read the article in the Torygraph a few days ago - 50's workforce (that's people in their 50's) that were giving-up and retiring, instead of working themselves into an early-grave, and were therefore the cause of all the woes in this country for shortage of working-people. Now, I'm usually a mild-mannered, and well-mannered, sort of individual, but I did have to fire a few expletives across the kitchen!!! On the subject of, "What are the Tories really for, these days?", I would say that they are for themselves, and couldn't see the wood for the trees, even if it fell across their bonnet...... The reasons everyone is getting out of "The Game" (i.e. work) is multifarious; a) They are not valued as experienced individuals (I speak as an Engineer on this point) b) They work themselves to the bone in self-employment, take all the risks, get nothing from the government, pay the taxes for the wastage in the Public Sector c) Are sick of being tax-collectors for HMRC, without any compensation (I'm thinking MTD at this point) or support d) They stuck it out throughout lockdown, kept their businesses afloat, got little support but lots of stress from the government, only to find that they are now the target for the Chancellor etc. etc. ad-nauseum rant....... So it would do the government some good if they had a review of their policies, and decided just what they want; a happy, valued workforce, embracing the huge experience of the older generations, or a retired workforce that take the best way out (for themselves) and reap some of the benefits of all their hard work of the past. OK, rant really over, stop hijacking this thread, take tablets and deep, deep breaths...... Sadly (and I wish did'nt) - but I agree with every sentance and every word of the above. Saddens me to have to agree with it. But I do... I have voted Tory all my life - my Father voted Tory - I had it drummed into me a young man - you need to vote Tory if you work for yourself and pay tax. Now me - middle earner has all the burden - low low paid and people on benefits get all the help - the high earners get out of paying - and me - dumb me - take all the risks - work 60+ hours a week and "pay the lions share". I will not be voting Tory again - I have no idea who else I will vote for - no idea at all - but they (the Torys) will not getting my vote again (not often you will see me express myself so vehemently). I nearly used the F word - I just feel like I have been...  |
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Post by Rhubarb on Nov 19, 2022 23:40:42 GMT 1
I was thinking about the topic of this thread when I read the article in the Torygraph a few days ago - 50's workforce (that's people in their 50's) that were giving-up and retiring, instead of working themselves into an early-grave, and were therefore the cause of all the woes in this country for shortage of working-people. Now, I'm usually a mild-mannered, and well-mannered, sort of individual, but I did have to fire a few expletives across the kitchen!!! On the subject of, "What are the Tories really for, these days?", I would say that they are for themselves, and couldn't see the wood for the trees, even if it fell across their bonnet...... The reasons everyone is getting out of "The Game" (i.e. work) is multifarious; a) They are not valued as experienced individuals (I speak as an Engineer on this point) b) They work themselves to the bone in self-employment, take all the risks, get nothing from the government, pay the taxes for the wastage in the Public Sector c) Are sick of being tax-collectors for HMRC, without any compensation (I'm thinking MTD at this point) or support d) They stuck it out throughout lockdown, kept their businesses afloat, got little support but lots of stress from the government, only to find that they are now the target for the Chancellor etc. etc. ad-nauseum rant....... So it would do the government some good if they had a review of their policies, and decided just what they want; a happy, valued workforce, embracing the huge experience of the older generations, or a retired workforce that take the best way out (for themselves) and reap some of the benefits of all their hard work of the past. OK, rant really over, stop hijacking this thread, take tablets and deep, deep breaths...... Sadly (and I wish did'nt) - but I agree with every sentance and every word of the above. Saddens me to have to agree with it. But I do... I have voted Tory all my life - my Father voted Tory - I had it drummed into me a young man - you need to vote Tory if you work for yourself and pay tax. Now me - middle earner has all the burden - low low paid and people on benefits get all the help - the high earners get out of paying - and me - dumb me - take all the risks - work 60+ hours a week and "pay the lions share". I will not be voting Tory again - I have no idea who else I will vote for - no idea at all - but they (the Torys) will not getting my vote again (not often you will see me express myself so vehemently). I nearly used the F word - I just feel like I have been... We've been in trouble for years as a country, the pandemic has nearly finished us off. Think of how much money was spent on the furlough scheme and other money wasted on sub standard ppe. Us minions will be paying this debt off for years and years regardless of who is in power. |
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Post by remmington on Nov 20, 2022 0:15:32 GMT 1
Sadly (and I wish did'nt) - but I agree with every sentance and every word of the above. Saddens me to have to agree with it. But I do... I have voted Tory all my life - my Father voted Tory - I had it drummed into me a young man - you need to vote Tory if you work for yourself and pay tax. Now me - middle earner has all the burden - low low paid and people on benefits get all the help - the high earners get out of paying - and me - dumb me - take all the risks - work 60+ hours a week and "pay the lions share". I will not be voting Tory again - I have no idea who else I will vote for - no idea at all - but they (the Torys) will not getting my vote again (not often you will see me express myself so vehemently). I nearly used the F word - I just feel like I have been... We've been in trouble for years as a country, the pandemic has nearly finished us off. Think of how much money was spent on the furlough scheme and other money wasted on sub standard ppe. Us minions will be paying this debt off for years and years regardless of who is in power. Which makes me think - voting either way is a "complete waste of time". Losing interest in UK politics to be honest. |
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Post by valhalla on Nov 20, 2022 0:25:17 GMT 1
I might even venture that this problem has been in the making, for the UK, for a few decades. Poor management practices, and ethics, have permeated almost every aspect of the business world, and that has now filtered into the way we govern ourselves and manage our public sectors.
I was told, many years ago, when I tried to fight-back against the "blob" of management drafted-in to take-over the company I worked-for, that I just didn't understand. The exact words were;
"We are not in business to make cars. We are here to make money. Get used to it."
Well, in hindsight, they weren't so f***ing good at making money, either. So we all got shafted. Because we hadn't stuck to what we had been good at. Making cars that people wanted, and valued, and bringing the experiences of the older design and development team-members to guide the new-blood, and give them the apprenticeship in engineering that they needed after college/university. We just saw all the old boys retired-out as fast as possible, to be replaced by "more-compliant" younger teams, especially at management level, where experience was less important than an unhealthy ability to climb greasy-poles, fight like cats, and look after number_1. We became just like any other business in the UK: Unfocused on the product, unfocused on the future, playing with money, and just as easy as anyone else to sell-off.
We no longer "Stood on the shoulders of giants".
I then worked for a German firm. It was totally different. All the management were time-served, in just the areas of expertise that they now managed, nothing more. They had a clear idea about what the company stood-for, what their history was all about, where they were going, what they needed to achieve that and more. A progression of company-experience from year-to-year, decade-to-decade. No reinventing of any wheels, just continual improvement, all the time passing that knowledge to the next generation and beyond. No quibbling about cutting costs and corners to save money in the design and development of the products, just a realism that proved time and again that money well-invested in R&D, product engineering, manufacturing engineering, would ultimately sell the product by itself for enough time to reap the rewards, and more. The figures added-up, by total concentration on the product. Not total concentration on the figures.
What we do a lot of in the UK is rely on small businesses to circumnavigate the "baggage" of poor management in large businesses. It works at a national level and in GDP, if you don't continually undermine those small businesses with red-tape that forces them to behave like the bad, big businesses. We cannot do "big business" in the UK, and haven't been able to for decades now. It seems that Tories have forgotten that, by trying to run everything like a big business, public-sector included, instead of localisation.
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Post by remmington on Nov 20, 2022 1:03:49 GMT 1
I might even venture that this problem has been in the making, for the UK, for a few decades. Poor management practices, and ethics, have permeated almost every aspect of the business world, and that has now filtered into the way we govern ourselves and manage our public sectors. I was told, many years ago, when I tried to fight-back against the "blob" of management drafted-in to take-over the company I worked-for, that I just didn't understand. The exact words were; "We are not in business to make cars. We are here to make money. Get used to it." Well, in hindsight, they weren't so f***ing good at making money, either. So we all got shafted. Because we hadn't stuck to what we had been good at. Making cars that people wanted, and valued, and bringing the experiences of the older design and development team-members to guide the new-blood, and give them the apprenticeship in engineering that they needed after college/university. We just saw all the old boys retired-out as fast as possible, to be replaced by "more-compliant" younger teams, especially at management level, where experience was less important than an unhealthy ability to climb greasy-poles, fight like cats, and look after number_1. We became just like any other business in the UK: Unfocused on the product, unfocused on the future, playing with money, and just as easy as anyone else to sell-off. We no longer "Stood on the shoulders of giants". I then worked for a German firm. It was totally different. All the management were time-served, in just the areas of expertise that they now managed, nothing more. They had a clear idea about what the company stood-for, what their history was all about, where they were going, what they needed to achieve that and more. A progression of company-experience from year-to-year, decade-to-decade. No reinventing of any wheels, just continual improvement, all the time passing that knowledge to the next generation and beyond. No quibbling about cutting costs and corners to save money in the design and development of the products, just a realism that proved time and again that money well-invested in R&D, product engineering, manufacturing engineering, would ultimately sell the product by itself for enough time to reap the rewards, and more. The figures added-up, by total concentration on the product. Not total concentration on the figures. What we do a lot of in the UK is rely on small businesses to circumnavigate the "baggage" of poor management in large businesses. It works at a national level and in GDP, if you don't continually undermine those small businesses with red-tape that forces them to behave like the bad, big businesses. We cannot do "big business" in the UK, and haven't been able to for decades now. It seems that Tories have forgotten that, by trying to run everything like a big business, public-sector included, instead of localisation.
- your quote "We cannot do "big business" in the UK, and haven't been able to for decades now." It does look like the above is true. Last big firm we ran - is long gone - "East India Company" joke-sic! My fear is: And this is not a Brexit/Europe arguement - it is a simpler worry. We seem as a nation to be too dependant on cheap imports energy/labour/goods. Too flooded with foreign investment for infrastructure. We are not the only Western country that has/is doing this. It is OK when the world is stable but as we are now learning - the world is not always a stable place. I suppose thou - the world has shrunk - trade wise. -------------- What I do see is - real hard times ahead - a real shrinking in income and spending power for normal working people. Any ruling party cannot just keep "kicking the debt problem can up the road". Cutbacks have to come and handouts for energy subsidies just have to stop. Is there not a saying "you will have nothing and be happy with it" |
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Post by valhalla on Nov 20, 2022 19:01:21 GMT 1
As predicted, we enter a new Winter of Discontent.
It's where everybody refuses to understand or believe that their living standards are going to go down, whether they like it or not. Suddenly, all those off-shored industries are not going to look quite so attractive anymore. The UK buying-power will shrink, and we will have to learn how to reinvent ourselves, yet again.
Human Resources are part of the nagging problem that we all face right now; too many overheads in businesses of any size up from 30people, accentuated by too much dead-weight in departments that exist only to promote their own interests (HR), push political agendas where politics has no part to play (workplace), and cease to add value to the end-product by recruiting the right people and retaining them once they are useful.
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