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Post by minimatt on Jun 14, 2022 22:19:25 GMT 1
I had to get a scooter out of a ditch the other night turned out it was electric, cost £1500 and did 40 miles. Maybe this is the answer!
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Post by valhalla on Jun 14, 2022 22:43:03 GMT 1
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> On the flat with no hills and no wind - with someone lighter on it - I do think it would do the quoted 150mph.
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Post by remmington on Jun 15, 2022 6:34:07 GMT 1
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> On the flat with no hills and no wind - with someone lighter on it - I do think it would do the quoted 150mph. 57mph flat out with me on it! But... Trip to workshop is 1.5m - three choices of route. One choice is thru a housing estate - 30mph speed limit. Other is thru a sports centre/school complex - 20mph speed limit. Final is up the northern bypass - 40mph speed limit. Town I live in is grid lock at teatime - bumper to bumper. With a narrow scooter - you can "filter" up the middle of the road or the inside of the "parked cars".
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Post by valhalla on Jun 17, 2022 0:40:26 GMT 1
I was reading about the Citroen Ami electric car - technically an electric scooter - in The Telegraph this week.
Top speed 28mph, 6kW motor, approx. 45mile range
The deposit is steep (something like £2800, I think), but then the monthly repayments work-out at around £35/month
You can drive this on a scooter license.
It was reckoned that the fuel prices were driving motorists straight into these; certainly evidence to suggest a long waiting-list!
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Post by remmington on Jun 17, 2022 6:24:54 GMT 1
I was reading about the Citroen Ami electric car - technically an electric scooter - in The Telegraph this week. Top speed 28mph, 6kW motor, approx. 45mile range The deposit is steep (something like £2800, I think), but then the monthly repayments work-out at around £35/month You can drive this on a scooter license. It was reckoned that the fuel prices were driving motorists straight into these; certainly evidence to suggest a long waiting-list!
Know nothing about them - will start googling the subject. Got a Retail price of £7695 (UK's cheepest car - or did have till the price went up to £7999) www.autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/ami/351749/new-citroen-ami-sale-uk-now-ps7695Edit: Only avail' in lefthand drive format - with 8bhp (my little Honda scooter has 8.25bhp) But to get a feel for the pricing Honda are in the market at £2999 to over £4k for the new range of 125cc scooters. New CBF125cc has a rated MPG of 160MPG urban.
Am I getting old? - mean/tight? Loosing the value of money? Or are "silly little vehicles proper money now"? Or is this the coming of "transport poverty we have been predicting?
Electric - full EV's and Hybrids just look too expensive for me (new scooters look too expensive to me!) - I can't see how the "carpark". The market place can stand it? But I went to a big Tesco's the other week in the evening and the carpark was full of them!
I know it is summer now - but there does seem to be lots more 125cc bikes and scooters floating about the biggish market town I live in - Chinese no name offerings - ridden by older people in all new riding gear - like they have bought a small bike for commuting - like everybody did in the 70's?
I notice them - as I am carving up the cars - filtering thru the town - they sit there stationary with the cars - in their new full armoured riding suits with L plates on. Local riding school reckons they have never been busier with CBT testing!
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Post by upkeep on Jun 17, 2022 17:20:31 GMT 1
I Can't see how there is any profit in them unless it's the lease scheme as there is "no money in small cars" according to manufacturers.
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Post by remmington on Jun 17, 2022 20:18:07 GMT 1
I Can't see how there is any profit in them unless it's the lease scheme as there is "no money in small cars" according to manufacturers.
You are correct! There is no money in selling small cars. upkeep - you have hit the issue - "the nail on the head". But when I drive to work - all I see is "one person driving a big car" - they could make the journey in a small car on their own. But they don't...
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Post by valhalla on Jun 17, 2022 22:28:35 GMT 1
There's money in these if they sell enough - that's just the laws of economics. Make something that the people want, and bang them out in the numbers that make economic sense. Citroen will have done the sums.......
These are supposed to appeal to people who would like to get back on a scooter, but don't want the misery of getting wet in the (usual) British climate. If these people are the same ones being told that they cannot get a train into town, and the only practical way to get into a city is with a full-EV, then they are going to sell like hotcakes.
Some cost-savings will come from the homologation processes being much more slimmed-down than full-fat motor vehicles these days. Manufacturers spend, and waste, a lot of time and money on bureaucracy. Something that is a quadricycle, and only does 28mph, is going to be a doddle compared to a modern motor vehicle. Yet this sort of vehicle will offer more protection in an accident than a moped, as long as the other guy is not powering-along at some great speed in a monstrosity of a vehicle.
By the time these become really popular in-town, most of the worst examples of things liable to kill you in an accident (SUV's) will have been well and truly banned, so lower expectations for crash-safety will not be such a big deal.
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Post by remmington on Jun 18, 2022 6:32:41 GMT 1
There's money in these if they sell enough - that's just the laws of economics. Make something that the people want, and bang them out in the numbers that make economic sense. Citroen will have done the sums....... These are supposed to appeal to people who would like to get back on a scooter, but don't want the misery of getting wet in the (usual) British climate. If these people are the same ones being told that they cannot get a train into town, and the only practical way to get into a city is with a full-EV, then they are going to sell like hotcakes. Some cost-savings will come from the homologation processes being much more slimmed-down than full-fat motor vehicles these days. Manufacturers spend, and waste, a lot of time and money on bureaucracy. Something that is a quadricycle, and only does 28mph, is going to be a doddle compared to a modern motor vehicle. Yet this sort of vehicle will offer more protection in an accident than a moped, as long as the other guy is not powering-along at some great speed in a monstrosity of a vehicle. By the time these become really popular in-town, most of the worst examples of things liable to kill you in an accident (SUV's) will have been well and truly banned, so lower expectations for crash-safety will not be such a big deal.
I have done a life time of commuting to work on little motorbikes. 28mph just don't cut it. 30mph mopeds are not safe in 40mph speed limit zones. I have come to the conclusion - you need something that does 45mph and accelarates OK ish from 40-45mph. You just need to get away from cars/lorries crowding you from behind in 40mph zones. 125cc 4 stroke motorbikes/scooters have about the performance you need in town/local bypass round about to round about. They will keep with the flow of traffic. 12bhp 60/65mph and about 120kg is where it is at for town work and local bypass. ------------- Yeah a 28mph vehicle is OK in the centre of town road network - but in real practical use - you need to keep up with the traffic flow around your local town for the vehicle to be of any use. For some reason - in Asia and the east - 10bhp 110cc seems to be standard. Yeah the weather is better - the road surfaces are not thou. 110cc scooter is a "family car" or a commercial vehicle in some countries.Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by OldGit on Jun 18, 2022 7:29:13 GMT 1
hen I was in Kosovo, the locals had an idea to adapt rotivators into road-going transport, which was sort-of OK during the day, they probably moved at ~5mph whereas everything else driven by the locals moved as fast as it could go... Most of the time we were in villages, town and cities (well, city...) at night but there was occasions where we were crashed out to react to something or other. It wasn't great to approach one of these things at ten times it speed, either on the same side of the road or head on because the 'driver' was smashed off his face on home-made Raki (tastes like red Diesel BTW).
I suppose we've moved on a bit and the Citroen BEV's do have lights and a bit more turn of speed, the shortest way for me to get to work encompasses 2.5 miles of 50mph dual carriageway, occasionally there's JCB's on it but they have a bit more 'presence' than one of those Citroens....
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Post by oli on Jun 21, 2022 21:59:42 GMT 1
I’ve looked at the various offerings and there’s nowt capable of towing my caravan….( a modest 1200kg….) any reasonable distance….. What about one of these? Ford seems to have absolutely nailed it. I’m starting to seriously think about the practicality of LHD. I think it’s going to be another couple of years before they make an electric Ranger. m.youtube.com/watch?v=qSpyDBSca6Q
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Post by valhalla on Jun 21, 2022 23:03:24 GMT 1
I’ve looked at the various offerings and there’s nowt capable of towing my caravan….( a modest 1200kg….) any reasonable distance….. What about one of these? Ford seems to have absolutely nailed it. I’m starting to seriously think about the practicality of LHD. I think it’s going to be another couple of years before they make an electric Ranger. m.youtube.com/watch?v=qSpyDBSca6QI think that Ford threw the kitchen-sink into this truck, if memory serves me correctly? It's the most powerful of its kind by a mile, but also incredibly expensive to manufacture, and an environmental nightmare from the battery production perspective. I know that bit of road well (too well) and the test they are doing is grueling - it justifies such a vehicle. In the UK? Not many places would really push a truck like this to the limit, so the benefits of the top-end power/torque are not squeezed out. Maybe the M74 climbing up out of Dunfries & Galloway northwards, that would see a few vehicles panting for breath for the 10miles or so - that's where my Defender 110 300TDI utterly looses the will to go any faster with a heavy load on the triple-axle trailer!
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Post by Noberator on Jun 22, 2022 13:25:55 GMT 1
Nobster earlier today… 😂 😉 Filled up this morning with 53.40 litres of E5 @ £1.929/ltr =£103.01 It's gone up 17p/ltr in just under a month. Me and the Mrs went to the Wirral on Monday to see some friends. Passed a garage on route and diesel was £2.049 and petrol was just under £2 a litre.
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Post by Joepublic on Jun 22, 2022 13:49:54 GMT 1
Everyone except key workers should have one day off per week until something is done about it.
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Post by remmington on Jun 22, 2022 21:21:17 GMT 1
Everyone except key workers should have one day off per week until something is done about it. Rail staff are having three days off this week.
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