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Post by magnus on Mar 31, 2020 13:46:04 GMT 1
Just had a call from a regular customer, a farmer with an old land rover defender.
His MOT doesn't expire until 6th april, but he had it tested on 20th march.
As it is generally gets neglected from one mot to the next,i was expecting it to fail & it did fail.
The problem is that some of the items are rightly listed as dangerous, most serious being,rear brakes no recorded effort.( seized calipers, i suspect) excessive play in steering, etc. Plus loads of not(considered) dangerous items that have failed.
Now the problem is that he now believes that he should get the 6 month extension, without fixing it,& doesn't want it repairing yet.
I have strongly advised him that he should have it repaired, as it has failed on dangerous items & that it's now on record as a "Fail" & that he is still responsible for it being in a roadworthy condition !
The question i have is, Will this defender still get the 6 month extension, even though it failed before 30th march, but doesn't expire until 6th april?
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Post by huffo on Mar 31, 2020 17:38:31 GMT 1
It doesn’t get the extension: It’s failed it’s MoT.
If it has not been repaired, then it shouldn’t be used on the road apart from for travelling to a place of repair or to a pre-booked MoT test somewhere nearby.
If it is repaired AND it is impossible/impractical to get it re-tested, then it can be used in it’s repaired condition pending passing a new MoT test as soon as it practically can.
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Post by givusaclue on Mar 31, 2020 19:20:14 GMT 1
Just had a call from a regular customer, a farmer with an old land rover defender. His MOT doesn't expire until 6th april, but he had it tested on 20th march. As it is generally gets neglected from one mot to the next,i was expecting it to fail & it did fail. The problem is that some of the items are rightly listed as dangerous, most serious being,rear brakes no recorded effort.( seized calipers, i suspect) excessive play in steering, etc. Plus loads of not(considered) dangerous items that have failed. Now the problem is that he now believes that he should get the 6 month extension, without fixing it,& doesn't want it repairing yet. I have strongly advised him that he should have it repaired, as it has failed on dangerous items & that it's now on record as a "Fail" & that he is still responsible for it being in a roadworthy condition ! The question i have is, Will this defender still get the 6 month extension, even though it failed before 30th march, but doesn't expire until 6th april? you can't help some people & farmers seem to rank fairly highly among them around my way in Lincs. you've told him the facts, he has been given the paperwork specifying this, so if he has been granted the extension & continues driving it he can't deny the fact that he knows it's not roadworthy. unless you're going to inform the powers that be of the situation (i personally wouldn't) he's a selfish idiot, if you want to be an upstanding member so as to speak dob him in, but if want his business later leave him to take his chances & charge him accordingly at the due time doing him no favours at all |
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Post by Joepublic on Mar 31, 2020 21:15:45 GMT 1
Not the sort of customer I’d be trying to keep, he’ll lie his areas off if the shit hits the fan and you could be implicated?
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Post by valhalla on Mar 31, 2020 22:23:05 GMT 1
If it's a 90 Defender, the rear brake effort (or lack thereof) will be the pressure-compensating valve on the driver's footwell. Then again, the rear brakes on these are always rubbish, as anything more than a light rub on the back will spin the vehicle.......
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Post by givusaclue on Mar 31, 2020 22:57:24 GMT 1
Not the sort of customer I’d be trying to keep, he’ll lie his areas off if the shit hits the fan and you could be implicated? How could you be implicated if you’ve failed it & it’s documented on the dvsa servers? You’ve done your job & that’s where your responsibility ends |
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Post by magnus on Mar 31, 2020 23:14:48 GMT 1
If it's a 90 Defender, the rear brake effort (or lack thereof) will be the pressure-compensating valve on the driver's footwell. Then again, the rear brakes on these are always rubbish, as anything more than a light rub on the back will spin the vehicle....... Yeah... i'll bear that in mind, but i do know that the rear calipers on this one are in a bad state,. from my previous encounters with it ! He also sometimes tows heavy livestock trailers so I'll just hope they don't give it the 6 month extension, given these circumstances ? I also don't want to get too heavy handed with him, as i occasionally work on his tractors & other machinary, he's also got me work from other farmers. But we'll see how things develop over the next few days !I may have to have another go at persuading him to get it done if it gets extended ? |
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Post by rhyds on Apr 1, 2020 8:31:45 GMT 1
If it's a 90 Defender, the rear brake effort (or lack thereof) will be the pressure-compensating valve on the driver's footwell. Then again, the rear brakes on these are always rubbish, as anything more than a light rub on the back will spin the vehicle....... Yeah... i'll bear that in mind, but i do know that the rear calipers on this one are in a bad state,. from my previous encounters with it ! He also sometimes tows heavy livestock trailers so I'll just hope they don't give it the 6 month extension, given these circumstances ? I also don't want to get too heavy handed with him, as i occasionally work on his tractors & other machinary, he's also got me work from other farmers. But we'll see how things develop over the next few days !I may have to have another go at persuading him to get it done if it gets extended ? Legally, all the MOT extension does is move the renewal date for an MOT. In short, if the farmer got stopped he'd still be done for driving an unsafe vehicle, but could argue the MOT was still valid. Problem for him is that because he took it for an MOT and it failed then he can't claim he didn't know the vehicle was unsafe, an MOT tester has told him. Personally, I'd suggest telling him plainly "The vehicle is unroadworthy and must not be used until fixed". If he ignores you its on him. |
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Post by magnus on Apr 5, 2020 22:07:26 GMT 1
Just had a call from a regular customer, a farmer with an old land rover defender. His MOT doesn't expire until 6th april, but he had it tested on 20th march. As it is generally gets neglected from one mot to the next,i was expecting it to fail & it did fail. The problem is that some of the items are rightly listed as dangerous, most serious being,rear brakes no recorded effort.( seized calipers, i suspect) excessive play in steering, etc. Plus loads of not(considered) dangerous items that have failed. Now the problem is that he now believes that he should get the 6 month extension, without fixing it,& doesn't want it repairing yet. I have strongly advised him that he should have it repaired, as it has failed on dangerous items & that it's now on record as a "Fail" & that he is still responsible for it being in a roadworthy condition ! The question i have is, Will this defender still get the 6 month extension, even though it failed before 30th march, but doesn't expire until 6th april? Just an update.... the defender has not been retested yet,but has been given the 6 month extension,until 6th october. He has agreed to have the repairs done in the next few weeks (or rather his missus has decided  ) |
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Post by Noberator on Jun 17, 2020 15:53:13 GMT 1
So just to clarify as 1 of mine is due an mot in April. If mot station is still open I can still get an mot. But it's OK too if I don't get it done ? No reason to expect it to fail so no reason why not to get it done. In 3, 6, 12 months or whenever this crisis is over, or more controllable there will be a massive demand for mot and other work. And undoubtedly some garages/ mot stations may never reopen/survive. As far as I am aware if you get it tested more than 30 days before the expiry date then the date of the test becomes the new renewal date. If the test is within 30 days of the renewal then your original expiry date can be preserved. My Mondeo ST220 is due for an MOT in May but I usually get it tested within the 30 days expiry date. So in effect my expiry date will be a date in November six months after the due date in May and yours will be six months from the due date in April.  I had my Mondeo ST220 tested last Wednesday. It was over due but didn't want to take full advantage of the six month extention until November. I knew it was risky if it failed but I didn't have any concerns. It passed with two advisories. Oil leak, but not excessive (8.4.1 (a) (i)) o/s rear silencer corroded (outer skin) Since the MOT test I can here a slight blow from the front and I'll have to investigate what it is.  I've a funny feeling it might be one of the flexi down pipes to the exhaust system.  I'll have to arrange a ramp to put it on to have a look. IIRC one is bigger than the other. May be it's time for a change and move it on. I've owned it since April 2012. |
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Post by Joepublic on Jun 17, 2020 16:50:07 GMT 1
As far as I am aware if you get it tested more than 30 days before the expiry date then the date of the test becomes the new renewal date. If the test is within 30 days of the renewal then your original expiry date can be preserved. My Mondeo ST220 is due for an MOT in May but I usually get it tested within the 30 days expiry date. So in effect my expiry date will be a date in November six months after the due date in May and yours will be six months from the due date in April. I had my Mondeo ST220 tested last Wednesday. It was over due but didn't want to take full advantage of the six month extention until November. I knew it was risky if it failed but I didn't have any concerns. It passed with two advisories. Oil leak, but not excessive (8.4.1 (a) (i)) o/s rear silencer corroded (outer skin) Since the MOT test I can here a slight blow from the front and I'll have to investigate what it is. I've a funny feeling it might be one of the flexi down pipes to the exhaust system. I'll have to arrange a ramp to put it on to have a look. IIRC one is bigger than the other.May be it's time for a change and move it on. I've owned it since April 2012. Ahh, that'll explain the funny walk lol |
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Post by Noberator on Jun 17, 2020 17:04:23 GMT 1
I had my Mondeo ST220 tested last Wednesday. It was over due but didn't want to take full advantage of the six month extention until November. I knew it was risky if it failed but I didn't have any concerns. It passed with two advisories. Oil leak, but not excessive (8.4.1 (a) (i)) o/s rear silencer corroded (outer skin) Since the MOT test I can here a slight blow from the front and I'll have to investigate what it is. I've a funny feeling it might be one of the flexi down pipes to the exhaust system. I'll have to arrange a ramp to put it on to have a look. IIRC one is bigger than the other.May be it's time for a change and move it on. I've owned it since April 2012. Ahh, that'll explain the funny walk lol What are you inferring? I was on about the flexi down pipes.  |
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Post by Joepublic on Jun 17, 2020 17:16:14 GMT 1
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Post by Noberator on Jun 17, 2020 17:31:13 GMT 1
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Post by Rhubarb on Jun 18, 2020 12:04:32 GMT 1
Honky Tonk.  After tea I'm doing a search for Flexi/exhaut pipe for my Ford Mondeo ST220 to see how much they are.  Bit of weld/gunge and get shot of it lad  |
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