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Post by oli on Jun 18, 2018 9:41:15 GMT 1
I've had a call today from local chap. 1999 Discovery TD5 (EU2) with a "straight-through" EGR valve mod (I reckon 80% of the TD5 vehicles I see have this "EGR blanking" mod). Question: Does the new set of regulations give an instant fail on a 1999MY diesel with a "blanked" EGR valve? If it is visual only, I think I know what the answer needs to be.....
The 300tdis will be a nightmare as they were a complete mishmash of EGR/no EGR cat or No cat from the factory and there can't be many that still have the cat and EGR fitted, even if they left the factory with them. Oli
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Post by valhalla on Jun 18, 2018 20:51:06 GMT 1
Predicting that this might become a problem in the future, 9years ago, I still have the original catalyst and downpipe on-the-shelf for my 300Tdi CSW. I changed the downpipe out for something more durable on the local roads, as a crack was developing on the catalyst exit joint.
I don't know how detailed the system is for recognising which vehicle should have which spec of EGR/EEGR/EMS/catalyst, etc. etc. then flagging it up at the start of a test....
I personally know exactly what should be fitted to each and every 300Tdi vehicle from 1994 to 1999, but I'm not about to divulge that to the DVSA! As far as they are concerned, they are all "15.04"....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 23:43:41 GMT 1
Many testers have brought that question up already, test as presented and pass and advise if no official data available to prove otherwise. For all the hipe about mots and all this minimum standards and all that they go on about, in reality the test is worthless in my opinion.
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Post by studabear on Jun 19, 2018 20:30:17 GMT 1
It has to have some worth. Can you imagine the absolute shite that would be on the road without it.
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Post by oli on Jun 20, 2018 9:01:57 GMT 1
The difficulty seems to come when you start trying to apply things retrospectively. Far simpler to allow older vehicles simply to complete their lifecycle and naturally be replaced with newer ones. I suspect the ones that cause the headaches will be those approaching the end of their lives anyway or, in the case of more longer lived type vehicles in the hands of tinkerers etc, actually a tiny fraction of the UK's fleet, covering small miles and not really worth wasting resources on.
Oli
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Post by valhalla on Jun 20, 2018 19:55:28 GMT 1
I think that in the main, the vehicles that are going to "fall like flies" are the "enthusiast-owned" diesel cars from the last decade. They are all a pain to remove extraneous components from underneath (catalysts, DPF's) without reprogramming, so they will have gone to Bodgit and Scarper tune-up "experts" to have themselves "mapped" to work around the fact that half their emissions-control systems are missing.
Now that these parts are required, a) they have to be sourced, b) they have to have the engine code returned to "as-factory" or they will be unreliable, and c) they will need all the learning adaptions run again to get the particulate loading figures sorted out.
So not a cheap job, and one which is pro-rata not as cost-effective as when the car was first played-around-with at 3years of age (or so).
Bye bye all those Audi, BMW, Lexus, Jaguar, and other assorted batty-boy-mobile diesels that are choking towns with their carcinogenic exhausts.
Hello to the real world of running modern diesels; decent low-ash oil, regularly changed, lots of intake manifold servicing, lots of repairs.......effectively priced off the road.
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Post by givusaclue on Jun 22, 2018 17:32:54 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 19:00:10 GMT 1
It does not say in the link a VE cannot issue a prohibition, I think we are becoming confused. This is what I meant; If a tester passes a vehicle that should have failed, or the tester has failed a vehicle on a dangerous defect, the station cannot stop the presenter driving away with the vehicle, however, the VE is empowered to stop vehicles being driven on the road with a prohibition notice, either delayed or immediate. If then the VE at the Test Station observes something the VE believes is an imminent risk to road safety, the VE can overrule the mot if a wrong decision had been made, or issue the prohibition to prevent the vehicle being driven if the presenter decides to drive away. This might not be seen everyday, but where a VE is present, the VE has the power to prohibit the use of a vehicle if necessary. I hope I have explained this clearly enough.
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