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Post by Stilo on Jan 29, 2013 23:51:44 GMT 1
Looks like a gearbox problem The inner joint is moving around and because whatever its connected into in the box is bunched (diff??). Got a local mech to put it up on his ramp and we had a good look at it. Seems to be about 3 - 4 mm of play when the inner joint is rocked up and down. The other side seems ok in comparison.
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Post by Rhubarb on Jan 29, 2013 23:56:38 GMT 1
Yep the diff bearings are stuffed Out with the box and get it stripped down
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Post by Stilo on Jan 30, 2013 0:04:09 GMT 1
Yep the diff bearings are stuffed Out with the box and get it stripped down Stupid money to get it rebuilt here. I've been offered a box from a car one year newer with just 25k miles on it. Might be worth a look. Rang around to get a clutch for it, again quoted stupid money and none are immediately in stock and have been advised that it will take a week / 10 days for it to be delivered. SG petch are offering the genuine kit for around £85, but unclear if they'll mail it to Dublin. Phone call tomorrow will tell all...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 8:22:59 GMT 1
Yep the diff bearings are stuffed Out with the box and get it stripped down Stupid money to get it rebuilt here. I've been offered a box from a car one year newer with just 25k miles on it. Might be worth a look. Rang around to get a clutch for it, again quoted stupid money and none are immediately in stock and have been advised that it will take a week / 10 days for it to be delivered. SG petch are offering the genuine kit for around £85, but unclear if they'll mail it to Dublin. Phone call tomorrow will tell all... If you want i'll take delivery for you and meet at the border if it works out a lot cheaper/easier for you? Quite a lot dont charge a lot more for NI deliveries
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Post by Stilo on Jan 30, 2013 18:21:46 GMT 1
Thanks very much for the offer! Out of curiousity, where are you based? Am largely sorted now though, thanks! Dismantler is sending down the 'box tomorrow. Got is for €300 delivered. Only other boxes available were from the UK and were costing twice that with delivery. A local rebuild was more. No clutches to be had locally either but one is on order and should have it by courier next Monday. SG Petch were offering genuine Fiat Clutch with delivery for £100 which was very good indeed. Same item from Fiat locally was nearly twice that
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 20:01:14 GMT 1
Thanks very much for the offer! Out of curiousity, where are you based? Am largely sorted now though, thanks! Dismantler is sending down the 'box tomorrow. Got is for €300 delivered. Only other boxes available were from the UK and were costing twice that with delivery. A local rebuild was more. No clutches to be had locally either but one is on order and should have it by courier next Monday. SG Petch were offering genuine Fiat Clutch with delivery for £100 which was very good indeed. Same item from Fiat locally was nearly twice that Just north of Belfast, any time I can help let me know, i'm a saddo who wouldnt mind collecting something that would fit in the boot and meeting halfway
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Post by Karl on Jan 30, 2013 20:30:17 GMT 1
Thanks very much for the offer! Out of curiousity, where are you based? Am largely sorted now though, thanks! Dismantler is sending down the 'box tomorrow. Got is for €300 delivered. Only other boxes available were from the UK and were costing twice that with delivery. A local rebuild was more. No clutches to be had locally either but one is on order and should have it by courier next Monday. SG Petch were offering genuine Fiat Clutch with delivery for £100 which was very good indeed. Same item from Fiat locally was nearly twice that Just north of Belfast, any time I can help let me know, i'm a saddo who wouldnt mind collecting something that would fit in the boot and meeting halfway youtu.be/I7HahVwYpwo
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Post by Stilo on Feb 3, 2013 21:09:23 GMT 1
Getting the job done during this week. Autodata lists my Grande Punto gear oil as 75W/85 but local factor doesn't stock it. He's going to order it in specially tomorrow.
If he can't get it, are there alternatives to that oil or should I stick to what the books says?
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Post by Stilo on Feb 15, 2013 22:48:43 GMT 1
Meant to close this one off. Got it sorted in the end. The gearbox and clutch were replaced and there was a big improvement, but still it wasn't 100% perfect. After closer examination, it appeared that the passenger side shaft wasn't rotating cleanly, either due to a duff inner joint or a very slight bend. We checked it closely when out of the car but could find nothing seriously amiss, apart from a very small but of play in the inner cup. So we swapped the complete shaft and Bingo: a result! We reckon the issue with the shaft wrecked the diff bearing. Had we not replaced the shaft, the new box would probably have gone the same way as the old one...
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Post by Stilo on Feb 26, 2013 22:06:36 GMT 1
Ok, earlier optimism with this has been dashed a little. A vibration / shudder has come back into car. Shaft and gearbox seem ok. Jacked the passenger front off the ground and spun it in gear. It sounds somewhat noisier than the drivers side and there's a definite shudder at bang on 43mph. Again, drivers side is perfect. The car is a lot better than before we replaced the box. I'm wondering could a hub / bearing fault cause this? Given all the bits that have been replaced, it has my head wrecked.... Advice and consolation appreciated! ;D
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Post by Karl on Feb 27, 2013 20:18:43 GMT 1
I don't know about the wheel bearing leew But I know the fiat lads often change the top mounts, they are a weak point on these I believe Newer ones might have been recalled? Not so sure that would be the cause of your noise though
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Post by Stilo on Feb 27, 2013 23:01:21 GMT 1
I don't know about the wheel bearing leew But I know the fiat lads often change the top mounts, they are a weak point on these I believe Newer ones might have been recalled? Not so sure that would be the cause of your noise though The strut top mounts are a known weak point alright but these tend to make noises over bumps or when turning the steering wheel. They don't appear to be implicated in the problems I'm having, although at this stage, I'd rule nothing out. The car is in for its NCT on Saturday so it'll be interesting to read its performance on the suspension test.
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Post by dutch on Dec 16, 2016 22:54:41 GMT 1
There's live data on the return rates (or something similar) from the injectors and again they appear ok. Am going to look into the inner CV joint when I can. Hi Stilo, I have a grande punto from 2011, and i have exactly the same problem you describe. Shaking around 1400 revs, not under it and not above. I tried to test the injectors, but no clear problem there.. Did you ever found the problem? It would be great if anyone has a clue!
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Post by Stilo on Dec 17, 2016 1:46:06 GMT 1
I never really cracked it. I think car either potholed or kerbed at speed and did in the near side front hub and shunted the diff inside the box as there was huge play in it. Driveshafts, hubs and the gearbox were replaced and made it better but never perfect. I sold the car on soon afterwards and never looked back.
A Fiat techie since told me since that a stretched timing chain can give similar symptoms to the one I had. But who know. The car was a hateful pile of shite and I was glad to see the back of it.
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Post by dutch on Dec 17, 2016 21:04:59 GMT 1
I never really cracked it. I think car either potholed or kerbed at speed and did in the near side front hub and shunted the diff inside the box as there was huge play in it. Driveshafts, hubs and the gearbox were replaced and made it better but never perfect. I sold the car on soon afterwards and never looked back. A Fiat techie since told me since that a stretched timing chain can give similar symptoms to the one I had. But who know. The car was a hateful pile of shite and I was glad to see the back of it. Thankx Stilo for reacting so quickly, I appriciate it! Pity you didn't find the problem. Like I said, i have exacly the same problem including the shaking rev counter. I was wondering if you ever drove a similar car? Maybe it is just poor design and normal for that type of car? I recently had the front tyres changed en checked for play on the front axels and there was not so much, so i think thats not the problem. When i am rolling towards the 1000 revs in 4th or 5th gear i hear a bit of rattling that i thing is quit common in older cars. I always assume it is play in the driveshafts or rattling of the belt/chain. I am told my car has a chain, but I am wondering if it is supposed to rattle, since I think it has a tensioner? Do you maybe know anything about that? thankx again Stilo or anyone?
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