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Post by french crap fanatic on Sept 17, 2014 3:43:27 GMT 1
Will Steel seal block or clog my cooling system?
"No, Steel Seal Head Gasket Repair will not block or clog your cooling system or cause any damage to your vehicle. Unlike other products making similar claims Steel Seal contains no fibrous material to seal your blown head gasket. It relies on a thermo chemical bonding process which is a chemical reaction, to seal the leak in your blown head gasket."
thats a load of codswallop!! it does block matrix,shrimp is telling you that!!
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Post by upkeep on Sept 17, 2014 7:46:31 GMT 1
I only quoted the manufactures advertising information, nothing more.
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Post by shrimp on Sept 18, 2014 7:59:38 GMT 1
What I don't understand about this thread is that at the beginning there was a problem with a head gasket that was renewed and then after that a heater problem occurred that was not present before, and now sealant compounds are being added to the cooling system, which suggests to me that coolant is being lost, and if so then subject to how bad the loss actually is, air will be present because the circulation is poor and thus will lead to the heater operating unsatisfactorily. Why all the additives, simply flush all the crap out and pressure test the system, use a cooling system dye that will show up combustion in the cooling system and if all is well, ensure the cooling system has no air locks and your heater should be OK. It seems to me at least that the job is being made much more difficult that it actually needs to be. I added the steel seal when I couldn't afford to pay £500 just for labour to have the head gasket done. Since the head gasket has been changed no sealing compounds have been added. I have now ordered a heater matrix so if that don't solve the problem I will buy a radiator just in case that's blocked and causing a bad flow.
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Post by chippie on Sept 19, 2014 17:03:43 GMT 1
What I don't understand about this thread is that at the beginning there was a problem with a head gasket that was renewed and then after that a heater problem occurred that was not present before, and now sealant compounds are being added to the cooling system, which suggests to me that coolant is being lost, and if so then subject to how bad the loss actually is, air will be present because the circulation is poor and thus will lead to the heater operating unsatisfactorily. Why all the additives, simply flush all the crap out and pressure test the system, use a cooling system dye that will show up combustion in the cooling system and if all is well, ensure the cooling system has no air locks and your heater should be OK. It seems to me at least that the job is being made much more difficult that it actually needs to be. I have now ordered a heater matrix so if that don't solve the problem I will buy a radiator just in case that's blocked and causing a bad flow. Harry's words are spot on.....and to add to your comments... If the radiator was blocked,the engine would overheat or at least you would see higher than normal running. temperatures. So hopefully a new heater matrix solves your problems.... Just make sure you fill the system and bleed off any air.....
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Post by shrimp on Sept 20, 2014 8:11:13 GMT 1
Harry's words are spot on.....and to add to your comments... If the radiator was blocked,the engine would overheat or at least you would see higher than normal running. temperatures. So hopefully a new heater matrix solves your problems.... Just make sure you fill the system and bleed off any air..... I got to pick up the heater matrix today so lets hope it solves my problem. The car used to run about 80 degrees but now it's running around 85+ degrees so I hope I haven't blocked the radiator. How would you suggest I bleed the system as I put the heater control on hot and then fill the system while giving the pipes a squeeze, I then leave the expansion cap off while running the engine up to temperature. The one thing I have noticed is if you fill through the expansion bottle it doesn't seem to get all the way around to the heater matrix.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 9:48:47 GMT 1
Stop throwing money at this car for what you are spending you could have had shares in Camelot by now Take the hoses off the heater matrix and get a garden hose and pump water through it, if water exists the other end in good volume then leave it alone as there is nothing wrong with it. Take the top and bottom hose of the radiator and pump water through it again with the garden hose, if again good volume of water flows out the lower outlet there is nothing wrong with the radiator. Ensure the breather pipe is not restricted and free from corrosion at the header tank and cooling system water pump, get yourself a cooling system vacuum pump/filler and vacuum the cooling system, check for leaks via the gauge and if OK then replenish with the correct mix of coolant and distilled water as Vauxhall recommend.
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Post by upkeep on Sept 21, 2014 10:42:59 GMT 1
Stop throwing money at this car for what you are spending you could have had shares in Camelot by now Take the hoses off the heater matrix and get a garden hose and pump water through it, if water exists the other end in good volume then leave it alone as there is nothing wrong with it. Take the top and bottom hose of the radiator and pump water through it again with the garden hose, if again good volume of water flows out the lower outlet there is nothing wrong with the radiator. Ensure the breather pipe is not restricted and free from corrosion at the header tank and cooling system water pump, get yourself a cooling system vacuum pump/filler and vacuum the cooling system, check for leaks via the gauge and if OK then replenish with the correct mix of coolant and distilled water as Vauxhall recommend. Sage words indeed.
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Post by Dragon on Sept 21, 2014 22:35:40 GMT 1
Stop throwing money at this car for what you are spending you could have had shares in Camelot by now Take the hoses off the heater matrix and get a garden hose and pump water through it, if water exists the other end in good volume then leave it alone as there is nothing wrong with it. Take the top and bottom hose of the radiator and pump water through it again with the garden hose, if again good volume of water flows out the lower outlet there is nothing wrong with the radiator. Ensure the breather pipe is not restricted and free from corrosion at the header tank and cooling system water pump, get yourself a cooling system vacuum pump/filler and vacuum the cooling system, check for leaks via the gauge and if OK then replenish with the correct mix of coolant and distilled water as Vauxhall recommend. I would be wary of that, don't assume anything!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 22:50:05 GMT 1
Stop throwing money at this car for what you are spending you could have had shares in Camelot by now Take the hoses off the heater matrix and get a garden hose and pump water through it, if water exists the other end in good volume then leave it alone as there is nothing wrong with it. Take the top and bottom hose of the radiator and pump water through it again with the garden hose, if again good volume of water flows out the lower outlet there is nothing wrong with the radiator. Ensure the breather pipe is not restricted and free from corrosion at the header tank and cooling system water pump, get yourself a cooling system vacuum pump/filler and vacuum the cooling system, check for leaks via the gauge and if OK then replenish with the correct mix of coolant and distilled water as Vauxhall recommend. I would be wary of that, don't assume anything!!! If there are no ducks in the drivers foot well then that is a positive result that no water is present , so the heater matrix is not leaking , so what else could be wrong with it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 23:02:18 GMT 1
I only quoted the manufactures advertising information, nothing more. best to say then when quoting drivel
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Post by Dragon on Sept 23, 2014 23:26:27 GMT 1
I would be wary of that, don't assume anything!!! If there are no ducks in the drivers foot well then that is a positive result that no water is present , so the heater matrix is not leaking , so what else could be wrong with it? I have been caught by assuming that a heater matrix was clear when it had good flow, the matrix had both inlet and outlet on the same side, all the water did was flow into the matrix hit the blocked core and bounce back out the outlet, the matrix didn't have a plate in between the inlet and outlet to stop that from happening
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Post by upkeep on Sept 24, 2014 7:37:18 GMT 1
I only quoted the manufactures advertising information, nothing more. best to say then when quoting drivel I can only apologise for my error.
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Post by shrimp on Sept 25, 2014 12:42:52 GMT 1
Stop throwing money at this car for what you are spending you could have had shares in Camelot by now Take the hoses off the heater matrix and get a garden hose and pump water through it, if water exists the other end in good volume then leave it alone as there is nothing wrong with it. I've flushed the heater matrix out with a hose pipe and clean water came out with a good flow but I still didn't have no heat. I've now removed the heater matrix and you can see all rust particles floating around.
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Post by oli on Sept 26, 2014 22:12:19 GMT 1
I'm with Harry. If the matrix isn't leaking and water is flowing through it at a good rate, then it's ok. It's ability to transfer heat might be a little reduced if there's still some gunk in it but turning it to cold then hot wouldn't make any difference.
Also it sounds like the radiator is ok too. A constant change of just 5c is likely to be variation in the thermostats.
I think it sounds like you've got some air in it still.
Oli
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Post by Karl on Sept 26, 2014 22:47:14 GMT 1
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